worst red light debate, again!

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

No Jim
No Bill

I have given a reason more than once. If I give a reason and you fail to recognize it as such, you either disagree with it and refuse to recognize it as valid or you refuse to recognize it because it just might make sense. NHRA told me it made sense and it took all of 3 seconds for the NHRA Glendora based official (that would be management level, rule maker type, not the janitor or receptionist type). Either way, it appears to me you want to bury any opposition with page after page of the same rhetoric and the same "repeat after me mantras." I do not have the time or desire to repeat it again. Hell I don't have the time to read the posts on this subject from the last 5 hours. My comments are posted here more than once, find it and study it because I'm not looking for it and I surely don't have the time to type out 300 paragraphs a day that say the same thing over and over again. So if you don't get it then stay focused on the mantra. "red light not fair, red light not fair..."

Not sure what you are talking about? I stated several times you HAD stated a reason why you were opposed to Bill's idea. Look back at my posts if you want. I just don't think that your reason " I built my car to take advantage of the red light situation and to change it would be unfair to me" (summarizing here) is a great reason not to change it. That's all. Jim

.Why are you up so late?

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[Harry 6674]

My feeling on this is N-Ihras may be keeping this unfair rule as is so it won't encourage racers to build slow cars. Most fans go for the wheels up faster cars so if the rule was changed to make it fair for the fast cars to have the chance to bulb after the slow car bulbs the fans would revolt. Maybe but we first need the fans. It is what it is but I sure don't understand why it's like it is. I will still continue to bulb with the best of them.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Not sure what you are talking about? I stated several times you HAD stated a reason why you were opposed to Bill's idea. Look back at my posts if you want. I just don't think that your reason " I built my car to take advantage of the red light situation and to change it would be unfair to me" (summarizing here) is a great reason not to change it. That's all. Jim

.Why are you up so late?

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Working! Market is crazy fast again...
I'm referring to my comments which were shared with NHRA and Mr. NHRA said it made perfect sense. Re: Propagating the sport by encouraging the evolution of continuously faster cars. Look it up.

[danny waters sr]

[QUOTE]....

It's not the right time for that methodology, I'm afraid. Maybe it will never be.......
There is your answer.
Simple question for you mr Dedman.........
In drag racing ,What does red lite mean ??????
answer ==========" YOU LOSE " !!!!

Been racing for 40 years and lost a lot of races on red lites.
But i knew that when i chose drag racing as my hobby.
I don't need a rule change because i can lose if i red lite because i leave 1st.
I look at it a diff way, If i don't go red then my competitor has a chance to do what i did not do on that run and the pressure is on him.......I personally like it that way.....
I chose to run a slower et car and it does not bother me at all that i have the 1st chance to go red.....Just my opinion.... I would vote leave it alone. and suggest you practice on not going red so much.... 1st and last post on this matter .... y'all play nice now,..,.,.,.,.,.

[Bunkster]

Originally Posted by danny waters sr

Been racing for 40 years and lost a lot of races on red lites.
But i knew that when i chose drag racing as my hobby.
I don't need a rule change because i can lose if i red lite because i leave 1st.
I look at it a diff way, If i don't go red then my competitor has a chance to do what i did not do on that run and the pressure is on him.......I personally like it that way.....
I chose to run a slower et car and it does not bother me at all that i have the 1st chance to go red.....Just my opinion.... I would vote leave it alone. and suggest you practice on not going red so much.... 1st and last post on this matter .... y'all play nice now,..,.,.,.,.,.

Then, we can presume that if.....just if.....this gets changed, should you be presened with a win ticket, and both cars fouled, but you fouled least, you will trailer your car and leave?

Or, perhaps you will speak with the race director and ask that the faster car be reinstated as you fouled first?

[danny waters sr]

Originally Posted by Bunkster

Then, we can presume that if.....just if.....this gets changed, should you be presented with a win ticket, and both cars fouled, but you fouled least, you will trailer your car and leave?

Or, perhaps you will speak with the race director and ask that the faster car be reinstated as you fouled first?

" IF " The rule was changed ,i would go by the rule.....It is not the rule now and i go by the rules we have now...Why would i speak to the race director if that was the rule.
My opinion was i rather leave it alone and still is......

[bill dedman]

[QUOTE=danny waters sr;260367]

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Been racing for 40 years and lost a lot of races on red lites.

How many did you lose because you red lit and your opponent never had a CHANCE to lose, because you red lit, first? Don't you think he should have had HIS chance to lose the way you did? I do. Why should you face red light jeopardy, and him not??? Makes no sense...

[danny waters sr]

[QUOTE=bill dedman;260418]

Originally Posted by danny waters sr

How many did you lose because you red lit and your opponent never had a CHANCE to lose, because you red lit, first? Don't you think he should have had HIS chance to lose the way you did? I do. Why should you face red light jeopardy, and him not??? Makes no sense...

Don't know how many i lost that way....(even before reaction times existed)
He has his chance to lose when i don't go red...
Pressure is on him then not me, I already won the red lite fight when i went green.....
"IF " the rule changed ,i would respect the rule ,
but as i said earlier , I would not vote for it....My opinion and stickin to it********

I gotta a idea ,,,,,,Let's just keep re-running til both drivers go GREEN......

[Jim Wahl]

[QUOTE=Jeff Lee;260359]

Bill, speaking of demonizing, is it something like this:

"You're dumber that I think you are...."

or this:

"As far as NHRA/IHRA goes, I don't run a Class car right now, and the "quality" of people that I would be talking to at the "HRA's", don't have the perspective beyond "the company line" to entertain "outside the box" ideas from non-NHRA/IHRA racers, especially (given their financial state of affairs,) ideas that are going to cost them money (no matter, how little.)"



Or maybe this:

Ed F quote to Bill. :Actually I'm having fun and you're nuts.Tomorrow I'll be serious and you'll still be nuts.Sad sad life.


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[Ed Wright]

Jim, what part of "I don't care if they change it or not, but it ain't gonna happen by posting on the Internet!" do you not understand? If you can't comprehend what is written, do I need to try to draw a picture of it? That is the position I have stated several times, and you still tell it differently. I sure wonder about you.