4 Speeds

Jeff Lee · 06-22-2011, 11:06 PM

No way! And it's not due to performance, longevity disadvantage (although that would be part of the equation). It's the fact you can no longer go to the wrecking yard on a Saturday afternoon and but a T-10 , A-883 or M-21 for $75-$150 when you break one. And parts aren't cheap or even readily available. Then you have to consider the loss of performance in just the gear set ratios.

Now what would it take to get more racers in S/SS into a 4-speed? Equality in the indexes for one. One of many examples is SS/J & SS/JA where the SS/JA has a .200 advantage on the index over the SS/J car. Go down the list and see the disparity.

The other way to get more stick racers would be to allow magnetic clutch pedal release as offered by Biondo to compete on a level playing field with the t-brake racers with various delay mechanisms internally built in (and adjustable) in Super Stock.

Ed Carpenter · 06-22-2011, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

No way! And it's not due to performance, longevity disadvantage (although that would be part of the equation). It's the fact you can no longer go to the wrecking yard on a Saturday afternoon and but a T-10 , A-883 or M-21 for $75-$150 when you break one. And parts aren't cheap or even readily available. Then you have to consider the loss of performance in just the gear set ratios.

Now what would it take to get more racers in S/SS into a 4-speed? Equality in the indexes for one. One of many examples is SS/J & SS/JA where the SS/JA has a .200 advantage on the index over the SS/J car. Go down the list and see the disparity.

The other way to get more stick racers would be to allow magnetic clutch pedal release as offered by Biondo to compete on a level playing field with the t-brake racers with various delay mechanisms internally built in (and adjustable) in Super Stock.

Jeff why would you even consider the magnetic deal? Let's just take the driver totally out of the car. Magnetic releases, buttons, air shifters, etc what's left for the driver to do?

Jeff Lee · 06-22-2011, 11:47 PM

Deuces,
Great idea! But only if the auto trans guys had to foot brake it and could have no built in reaction time delay mechanisms.
What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

John Leichtamer Jr · 06-22-2011, 11:55 PM

Jeff

Don't forget the shift aid for the automatic also...

Hammer

Tom keedle · 06-23-2011, 04:35 AM

oh hell, just as well let stock use clutchless transmissions,too

btw, i'll be using a st-10 in the rambler (at least for a while

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tj310 · 06-23-2011, 09:24 AM

VHT and real slicks killed "stock" 4 speeds...Thanx Trevor

Casey Miles · 06-23-2011, 09:52 AM

I litteraly spit the cluster out of a Muncie (split the case) at West Hampton, the clutches back then were not as forgiving, so something has to give. The clutches were also brutal on rear end gears, they would only last about 30 to 55 runs. I'd say with the newer clutches you could get away with the old trans, but you would lose a ton of performance because of the limited gear ratios available in those units. You would need to carry probably at least 2 spare for any race that you attend though. THE GOOD OL' DAYS!

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

06-22-2011, 11:06 PM	#1
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 4 Speeds No way! And it's not due to performance, longevity disadvantage (although that would be part of the equation). It's the fact you can no longer go to the wrecking yard on a Saturday afternoon and but a T-10 , A-883 or M-21 for $75-$150 when you break one. And parts aren't cheap or even readily available. Then you have to consider the loss of performance in just the gear set ratios. Now what would it take to get more racers in S/SS into a 4-speed? Equality in the indexes for one. One of many examples is SS/J & SS/JA where the SS/JA has a .200 advantage on the index over the SS/J car. Go down the list and see the disparity. The other way to get more stick racers would be to allow magnetic clutch pedal release as offered by Biondo to compete on a level playing field with the t-brake racers with various delay mechanisms internally built in (and adjustable) in Super Stock. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

06-22-2011, 11:47 PM	#3
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 4 Speeds Deuces, Great idea! But only if the auto trans guys had to foot brake it and could have no built in reaction time delay mechanisms. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

06-22-2011, 11:55 PM	#4
John Leichtamer Jr Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orange City Fl Posts: 764 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 4 Speeds Jeff Don't forget the shift aid for the automatic also... Hammer

06-23-2011, 04:35 AM	#5
Tom keedle Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Berthoud, Coloraduh Posts: 695 Likes: 13 Liked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Re: 4 Speeds oh hell, just as well let stock use clutchless transmissions,too btw, i'll be using a st-10 in the rambler (at least for a while )

06-23-2011, 09:24 AM	#6
tj310 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dresden On. Canada Posts: 460 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 4 Speeds VHT and real slicks killed "stock" 4 speeds...Thanx Trevor

06-23-2011, 09:52 AM	#7
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 704 Likes: 128 Liked 499 Times in 91 Posts	Re: 4 Speeds I litteraly spit the cluster out of a Muncie (split the case) at West Hampton, the clutches back then were not as forgiving, so something has to give. The clutches were also brutal on rear end gears, they would only last about 30 to 55 runs. I'd say with the newer clutches you could get away with the old trans, but you would lose a ton of performance because of the limited gear ratios available in those units. You would need to carry probably at least 2 spare for any race that you attend though. THE GOOD OL' DAYS! Casey Miles 248H Stock?

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