Why can stock be really stock?

[Casey Miles]

Stock got messed up when Schubeck lifters where allowed and it was because of people crying that they lifters going bad on camshafts that shouldn't be running the valve spring pressures that they were applying. The valve spring rules should have been kept to what ever pressure you could get away with with the use of a STOCK lifter that you can buy at the local parts store. I asked a tech person one time out at Indy, "if they don't allow any exotic materials in Pro Stock, why is it allowed in Stock?" He replyed to me that he didn't know what I was talking about, so I told him about Schubeck lifters, that they are a very exotic materialed product and that they are not commonly available in any parts store. He just schrugged with no answer. I look at stock eliminator cars now as expense ET with a stock appearance. I personally keep my car in appearance as it did in the 70's, yes, I now have the same lifters and trans ( H patern with original shifter) as everyone else, because you can't run the number now with out going overboard. If NHRA gave back the .3 on the index, I could use at least the stock lifters again. Stock in now a modified production class in stock looking bodies.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

Stock got messed up when Schubeck lifters where allowed and it was because of people crying that they lifters going bad on camshafts that shouldn't be running the valve spring pressures that they were applying. The valve spring rules should have been kept to what ever pressure you could get away with with the use of a STOCK lifter that you can buy at the local parts store. I asked a tech person one time out at Indy, "if they don't allow any exotic materials in Pro Stock, why is it allowed in Stock?" He replyed to me that he didn't know what I was talking about, so I told him about Schubeck lifters, that they are a very exotic materialed product and that they are not commonly available in any parts store. He just schrugged with no answer. I look at stock eliminator cars now as expense ET with a stock appearance. I personally keep my car in appearance as it did in the 70's, yes, I now have the same lifters and trans ( H patern with original shifter) as everyone else, because you can't run the number now with out going overboard. If NHRA gave back the .3 on the index, I could use at least the stock lifters again. Stock in now a modified production class in stock looking bodies.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

X's 1000,000,0000000000000000000000 on the last staement !

[danny waters sr]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

X's 1000,000,0000000000000000000000 on the last staement !

Boy ,that makes me feel good about my car since i ain't got none of that tricky stuff.(but i would if i had the funds) I'm right proud of my ole peice running like it does for what i have done....

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

Stock got messed up when Schubeck lifters where allowed and it was because of people crying that they lifters going bad on camshafts that shouldn't be running the valve spring pressures that they were applying. The valve spring rules should have been kept to what ever pressure you could get away with with the use of a STOCK lifter that you can buy at the local parts store. I asked a tech person one time out at Indy, "if they don't allow any exotic materials in Pro Stock, why is it allowed in Stock?" He replyed to me that he didn't know what I was talking about, so I told him about Schubeck lifters, that they are a very exotic materialed product and that they are not commonly available in any parts store. He just schrugged with no answer. I look at stock eliminator cars now as expense ET with a stock appearance. I personally keep my car in appearance as it did in the 70's, yes, I now have the same lifters and trans ( H patern with original shifter) as everyone else, because you can't run the number now with out going overboard. If NHRA gave back the .3 on the index, I could use at least the stock lifters again. Stock in now a modified production class in stock looking bodies.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

Oh no, They knew exactly what they were doing. It's all about trolling for sponsors that they can shake down for their contingency program. It's just more money that they don't have to pay out themselves. It can then go to high CEO salaries and real estate.

Add it up .Joe Schubeck ,former owner of Lakewood Industries, former big time NHRA sponsor.

[Casey Miles]

Danny: My problem is that the '69 Camaro Z/28 is booked the same as the '67 & 68, they are far from the same and I have to carry the weight everytime the other cars hit the hp of the 302, which is still carrying weight from the Jr. Stock times. I've tried to keep mine as close as possible to the way I used to race it in the '70's, I still have mufflers on it so that I can drive it other then at the track. It's licenced and insured for highway use. Got a tanker truck behind it though when I do drive it.
What I don't understand, is when the people that hit your HP, don't carry the weight because they think that it can be rounded down to the lower equal number. Instead of 309 HP, they round it down to 305 HP @ Indy last year.
Casey Miles
248H Stock?