Ford First "Stocker" Into The Eights

[Dave Ley]

I sometimes wonder what the Flathead guys said when the Smallblock Chevy was introduced !

[danny waters sr]

The sport is changing as is a lot of things in this world.
I like both types of cars and enjoy watching all.
This is not going to change back to "old school" as a lot of us growed up in.

The new cars are running as fast as the "old school " pro stocks were running back in the day.

This is the new face of drag racing and is still going to continue to change like it or not.

At least we still have drag racing and we can still run the old iron for now.
If i had the funds , i would have a new car myself and would also have an old one too....
I have respect for all class racers that work hard (and or both) spend $$$ to make their combo go as fast as they can. Now let's just see how fast they really can go.

CONGRATS on the 8 second run for the history books......

[Greg Hill]

I like the new cars. If I were going to buy one to drive on the street it would be a new Boss 302 Mustang. The problem with these new cars is the hp factor. They should have been put in their own classes ( fx) and run either in stock or super stock or both during eliminations. No one has a problem with them running in the eliminator, people just don't want to have to run them heads up or in class with these bogus factors. Ahfs will never fix the problem as long as new combinations with soft factors are introduced on a yearly basis.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

I like the new cars. If I were going to buy one to drive on the street it would be a new Boss 302 Mustang. The problem with these new cars is the hp factor. They should have been put in their own classes ( fx) and run either in stock or super stock or both during eliminations. No one has a problem with them running in the eliminator, people just don't want to have to run them heads up or in class with these bogus factors. Ahfs will never fix the problem as long as new combinations with soft factors are introduced on a yearly basis.

I agree (except for the Boss 302 Mustang part). Jim

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[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

I like the new cars. If I were going to buy one to drive on the street it would be a new Boss 302 Mustang. The problem with these new cars is the hp factor. They should have been put in their own classes ( fx) and run either in stock or super stock or both during eliminations. No one has a problem with them running in the eliminator, people just don't want to have to run them heads up or in class with these bogus factors. Ahfs will never fix the problem as long as new combinations with soft factors are introduced on a yearly basis.

You are exactly right. You have to wonder how looking at the specs these were allowed their HP ratings when approved. On what planet would the 5.9L DP be the same 275 HP as the 275 hp GM LT1? Really? If we still had Farmer this would not be such a mess. I was told the NHRA tech people do know that many DPs are running with two barrels on the throttle body disconnected, and they don't care. Bill Farmer Dismuke would have cared.

[MikeFicacci]

Congrats to Don for being the first 8-second stocker and congrats to JDM Engineering for supplying the power. Don goes out there every week with his foot to floor and his team spent countless hours getting that car that work.

What a lot of you guys don't know is that Don got the short-end of the NHRA stick 40-something years ago when he campaigned his Chevy and got run all over by the "new" under-factored combinations. Don didn't quit or bitch, and now his name is forever in the record books. Congrats guys.

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

You are exactly right. You have to wonder how looking at the specs these were allowed their HP ratings when approved. On what planet would the 5.9L DP be the same 275 HP as the 275 hp GM LT1? Really? If we still had Farmer this would not be such a mess. I was told the NHRA tech people do know that many DPs are running with two barrels on the throttle body disconnected, and they don't care. Bill Farmer Dismuke would have cared.

Yeah right Ed,
As I recall many of our mutual friends and fellow racers with 327/275 Chevies and 340/275 Mopars, and 351/285 Fords wondered the exact same thing in 1993.

I often wondered how GM could pull 30 HP more out of those with only a hood change?
I even asked Danny Gracia that same question.
Next time we see each other I will tell you what he said.

[Ed Wright]

But, Alex, if the LT1 is under rated, how can the 5.9 DP be rated the same, and not be even worse? Have you looked at the specs? No way a knowledgable person could compare the two and think "Yeah, those two are the same HP". I have data from someone I trust telling me those heads go 300 CFM right out of the box. My HeadsUp! LT1 SS heads are about 40 behind.

If your talking about the LT1 versus 5.9 DP HP rating I'm sure interested in hearing that one. :-)

That hood deal? Got me. I have taped the scoops up on my WS6 daily driver, it ran the same times both ways. I have dyno tested several on my old chassis dyno. If I gave you twenty dyno sheets, half ram air & half not, you could not tell me which were which. The low restriction exhaust that comes with the hood does not make as much difference as they vary car-to-car due to production tolerances and how they were broken in.

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

But, Alex, if the LT1 is under rated,
IT MOST CERTAINLY WAS

That hood deal? Got me. I have taped the scoops up on my WS6 daily driver, it ran the same times both ways. I have dyno tested several on my old chassis dyno. If I gave you twenty dyno sheets, half ram air & half not, you could not tell me which were which. The low restriction exhaust that comes with the hood does not make as much difference as they vary car-to-car due to production tolerances and how they were broken in.

You just proved my point exactly Ed.
Thank you.
Just goes to show that GM under rated it at least 30 HP.
Ask Monte Howard, or Mike Walter who were very accomplished stocker racers in their own right how they felt about the LT-1 HP when they hit the scene.
GM had their day in the S/SS sun for a long time when they were supplying NHRA with bags of cash and vehicles.

[Bruce Noland]

Anthony,

I applaud your success in life. We fully understand the amount of work it takes to make a car fast and enjoyable.

Let's take a quick look at one of your team cars that you shipped south this winter. It picked up 22 horsepower in just two races and it still has a ton left. I am pleased to see that you allow your drivers to run these cars as they please. But you can plug in a new engine combination at any time and continue to run over top of the traditional Stockers for years to come. Yes, we know and enjoy hard work, however, these new cars are not breaking anybody's back to go fast.

Dave,
Citing prior transgressions by nhra does not make this one right.

Jack,
What did you say? Smoke and ah shucks is not going to make this problem go away.

Finally, the ahfs is a joke and all the nhra types hide behind it to say "hey look these cars are picking up Horsepower." But like the car I noted above, the ahfs is a bandaid over a gapping performance wound. This car is making twice the amount of it's nhra rated Horsepower. Anthony can confirm the real horsepower number for this car if he wishes to be honest with the racers.