I Told You So!

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Your last paragraph and a half has no relevance to me, I really don't care what Al or Jessie have to say. My point is the poor investigative actions by the Stanford police that will lead to an acquital because the police "might not have done there jobs". Many on this site will say that if Mr. Zimmerman goes to jail that it will impose on our rights for self protection. Again that is not the focus. Police are limited in approaching stranger unless there is probable cause. Mr. Zimmerman is not trained to be a policeman. He was carrying a gun. Mr. Martin was a young black man in the wrong neighborhood. He did not deserve to die. For Mr. Martin’s life to have any meaning, a message has to be sent. Neighborhood watch is not for confronting. It is there to observe and report it to the police who are trained in confrontation. If you want to confront then don't carry a gun around. Nobody has the right to shoot an unarmed person even if the shooter is afraid.

As far as people saying that Mr. Zimmerman's injuries support his defense that he had to defend himself, that correlation cannot be made. His victim was most likely the one trying to defend himself. If someone chased me down with a gun you better believe I would fight for my life, and there is a strong likelihood based on what we know and the fact that Mr. Martin was aggressively pursued (against police instructions), that might be exactly what happened. Mr. Zimmerman being beat up may only confirm the threat that Mr. Martin felt, having no idea this guy was a neighborhood watchman but only knowing he was pursuing him with a gun. I can't imagine any of us would feel otherwise if we were in his situation.

Justice, whatever that may be in this case, might never come though because the police from the moment they arrived, didn't take this murder investigation seriously enough. Just my opinion!

Eddie, everything in your "opinion" is totally conjecture. Everything! The only thing I will agree with you on is that Martin did not have to die. Had he continued home (if that really is where he was going, we don't know that for a fact) and not approached and beat Zimmerman to the ground he would never have been shot. That is my opinion based on the real evidence that is known. You are sounding more and more like Gary (Superman) Z24. The majority of the talking points of the circus that invaded and stirred the local black population up in Sanford (not Stanford) has been proven false by the actual facts that are slowly coming out and will continue to come out. Of course I have no doubt you and most of the pro-Trayvonists will just close their eyes and ears and continue spout conjecture.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/slideshow/...eased/#slide=1

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...d-media-didnt/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactiv...immerman-case/

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"
1546 (John Heywood)




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[SStockDart]

This is what it boils down to, the "Stand your ground law"...this is copied from CFIF????? Interpret it as you may.

The Florida law is a self-defense, self-protection law. It has four key components:

It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.

In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

In either case, a person using any force permitted by the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.

If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune based on the parameters of the law, the defendant will be awarded all costs of defense.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Eddie, everything in your "opinion" is totally conjecture. Everything! The only thing I will agree with you on is that Martin did not have to die. Had he continued home (if that really is where he was going, we don't know that for a fact) and not approached and beat Zimmerman to the ground he would never have been shot. That is my opinion based on the real evidence that is known. You are sounding more and more like Gary (Superman) Z24. The majority of the talking points of the circus that invaded and stirred the local black population up in Sanford (not Stanford) has been proven false by the actual facts that are slowly coming out and will continue to come out. Of course I have no doubt you and most of the pro-Trayvonists will just close their eyes and ears and continue spout conjecture.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/slideshow/...eased/#slide=1

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...d-media-didnt/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactiv...immerman-case/

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"
1546 (John Heywood)

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You are right, Martin did not need to die and if Zimmerman had followed instructions from the dispatcher, the community crime watch this would not have happened. His lack of training in the used of deadly force and rules of engagement is obvious!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

You are right, Martin did not need to die and if Zimmerman had followed instructions from the dispatcher, the community crime watch this would not have happened. His lack of training in the used of deadly force and rules of engagement is obvious!

You do not know that Zimmerman did not follow the instructions of the dispatcher. You can keep repeating your claim that he did not all you want, that does not make it so. The dispatcher told Zimmerman they did not need him to follow Martin, and Zimmerman acknowledged that with "Okay".

You do not know that Zimmerman was not assaulted by Martin while Zimmerman was in the process of returning to his vehicle. You can keep asserting that baseless claim all you want, but evidently the incident happened close enough to Zimmerman's vehicle that the police felt Zimmerman was telling the truth when he said he was assaulted on the way back to his vehicle.

Had Martin gone home, instead of confronting Zimmerman, he might not be dead. His lack of common sense in deciding to confront and assault a legally armed citizen is obvious.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

You are right, Martin did not need to die and if Zimmerman had followed instructions from the dispatcher, the community crime watch this would not have happened. His lack of training in the used of deadly force and rules of engagement is obvious!

How do you know he didn't comply with the dispatcher? He DID say "okay"

How do you know anything at all about his training?

[Alan Roehrich]

I just read 183 pages of the actual police report.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactiv...immerman-case/


I'd like to say I'm amazed at what has been presented here as "facts", which are directly contrary to what has actually been entered into evidence. But I'm not amazed at all.

[Dick Butler]

Is it only me, or does anyone else find it interesting how LONG it took for" actual pictures" of Mr. Zimmermans head injuries and facial injuries to reach the public in the media?
Seems that if they were efficient in providing the public a "reality check" type photo of his injuries it could have helped reassure the citizens there were facts to be understood before they lined up to invite Jesse or Al Sharpton to lead a protest... Again it wouldnt have been as exciting for the Media...they NEED their excitement to cover, their controversy to exploit even if its side effects are the division of our society. It pays their bills....

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Is it only me, or does anyone else find it interesting how LONG it took for" actual pictures" of Mr. Zimmermans head injuries and facial injuries to reach the public in the media?
Seems that if they were efficient in providing the public a "reality check" type photo of his injuries it could have helped reassure the citizens there were facts to be understood before they lined up to invite Jesse or Al Sharpton to lead a protest... Again it wouldn't have been as exciting for the Media...they NEED their excitement to cover, their controversy to exploit even if its side effects are the division of our society. It pays their bills....

You hit this one on the head Dick! I took a journalism class in college and the prof stated that "sensationalism sells newspapers not recipes". Jim

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[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

How do you know he didn't comply with the dispatcher? He DID say "okay"

How do you know anything at all about his training?

National Neighborhood Watch Institute (NNWI) is the premier national supplier of Neighborhood Watch materials. NNWI was the provider of the Sanford Florida sign seen so prominently in recent news coverage.
Our Participants Handbook states, "Always remember that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police/sheriff."
Neighborhood Watch participants act as additional eyes and ears for law enforcement.

They do not take the law into their own hands.

http://www.nnwi.org/

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

National Neighborhood Watch Institute (NNWI) is the premier national supplier of Neighborhood Watch materials. NNWI was the provider of the Sanford Florida sign seen so prominently in recent news coverage.
Our Participants Handbook states, "Always remember that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police/sheriff."
Neighborhood Watch participants act as additional eyes and ears for law enforcement.

They do not take the law into their own hands.

http://www.nnwi.org/

Yeah, real informative Eddie (or GarysZ24)............. proves nothing though. Spend your time reading the facts! Jim

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