Stocker Cylinder Heads....

[Dean Feiock]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

One of my best friends, who is a really good cylinder head guy, said the worst thing they did was to allow porting in Super Stock.

Being new to this sport, only ten years invested, please excuse my ignorance.

I was under the assumption that Super Stock was created BECAUSE there was porting going on in Stock years ago. So they created SS so there was a place to put the cars with ported heads. If that's the case, wouldn't that imply that porting has been allowed in SS since it's inception?

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

If you can port, you can cover up almost any amount of welding, within reason. You don't even have to resort to acid, or media blasting, anymore.

Welding and the resulting cover up is already happening.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock

Being new to this sport, only ten years invested, please excuse my ignorance.

I was under the assumption that Super Stock was created BECAUSE there was porting going on in Stock years ago. So they created SS so there was a place to put the cars with ported heads. If that's the case, wouldn't that imply that porting has been allowed in SS since it's inception?



Welding and the resulting cover up is already happening.

No, porting and polishing was not allowed to begin with in Super Stock. That came later, when they decided it was too hard to catch.

Of course welding and covering up is happening. The problem is, if every time someone cheats, the rules are changed to legitimize that cheat, sooner or later all the rules are changed, and the class no longer exists in the intended form.

[69Cobra]

Let's think about this for a minute. Let's say I'm a cylinder head guy and I have a C&C program for a super stock head which is the same cc's for stock. Let's say that after years of working on this I have the best possible runner design you can have for this combo. If I can get the NHRA legal aftermarket aluminum head in a pro port configuration all I would have to do is throw it in my C&C machine and bam!!! Its done. You have what looks like an untouched runner (after cleaning up the C&C marks I guess) and I can now pretty much mass produce this thing. The only catch is getting the casting in a pro port configuration. If I can't get the head in a pro port then I fill in the area's that need filled and then send it through my C&C machine. Am I out of my rocker here or can this pretty much be done now with any aftermarket aluminum cylinder head?

[Run to Rund]

Today's Stock = 1970s SS
today's SS = 1970s Modified Production
What's next?

[69Cobra]

Originally Posted by Run to Rund

Today's Stock = 1970s SS
today's SS = 1970s Modified Production
What's next?

Well you could say today's Comp is like the '70s Pro Stock but they are probably way more advanced than '70 pro stock. Maybe like the 2000's pro stock.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Run to Rund

Today's Stock = 1970s SS
today's SS = 1970s Modified Production
What's next?

I would have liked to had my present SS heads on my old C/SM Camaro. A little media blasting and what we had then could have been a poor set of present day Stocker heads. The aluminiun heads have an advantage there.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I would have liked to had my present SS heads on my old C/SM Camaro. A little media blasting and what we had then could have been a poor set of present day Stocker heads. The aluminiun heads have an advantage there.

I would have loved to have current "Stocker" heads on our SBC S/S cars back in the 70's,
Valve springs and all !

[BlueOval Ralph]

The W-2 heads that were run in B/SM and C/SM in 76, 77 & 78 were ported and shot peened for Mopar/Hamburger but in Mopar boxes and sent backed to warehouse and sent out to racers. I was helping Fadely in 77 & 78 at Spring Nationals Jim Dale and Jim Fagan sent all the B/SM Fords to tear down at Mayo's place to check out the heads NHRA CC'd the intake ports and measured the ports with dividers and snap garages It was Mike Urley Jim Ellien Jim Stevens and Fadely of the 4 Fadely's were the smallest in volume and bowl dia and short turn height. As I remember the had FJ Smith there with his Chevy.

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I would have liked to had my present SS heads on my old C/SM Camaro. A little media blasting and what we had then could have been a poor set of present day Stocker heads. The aluminiun heads have an advantage there.

[Ed Wright]

I had Lee Shephard heads on my sbc. No funny stuff. Guess I was to dumb to realize that kind of stuff was going on then. MOPAR doing that doesn't surprise me. A locat custom paint & body shop was doing some of their SS altered wheel base body work. Had to know Dick (Huckins AKA The Bearded One) to get in the door to see them. Sox & Martin and Don Grotheer are two I saw with my own eyes, was told about others. They sent partial body panels with the tire openings to be patched it. Wasn't surprised when they were finally caught. Was not hard to see if you knew about it. Park them next to a legit car and it was easy to see, if you were looking for it. Wheels were moved 2" if I remember correctly. Everything was already moved when they came to Dick. Who would look for something like that going on in a small body shop, in an alley in Podunk Tulsa Oklahoma. LOL

Thats been said and worn out for years. Guys were porting and covering up the heads since the 60's in all the classes. Not just within 10 years

Ever wonder why you showed up at a race with your legal engine car back in the day and couldn't figure out why guys had you by 3 10th's. Was it because they could time an engine better? Better carb? better 3 angle valve jobs? No because of the whole package, most within the rules. A few items on the rules, maybe one or 2 over. Interpeting the rule book has gone on since time, and most likely back in the day you had to do it to race or even be competive. Dont act like everything was right and nobody broke the rules, been going on a long time. As we all get older, it all evolves. For better or worse. If somebody could invent a time machine we could all start over....

Originally Posted by Run to Rund

Today's Stock = 1970s SS
today's SS = 1970s Modified Production
What's next?