Bring back super/mod...

[Stocker 2]

One of you rich guys want to lay out about $500K to one of the sanctioning bodies. At that time they will be more than happy to listen to your proposal for a new class. Anything less and your just wasting their time.

If you really want to make something like this work, start it at your local track and see if it will grow. You must do the ground work first, prove it will get participation, and then see if the sanctioning bodies have room for another class.

[randy wilson]

We did exactly this at Bethany Mo. It did work. We had fifty some odd cars, and crowds ranging from 400, to 1000 each night. Why ain't it still open you ask? Because 4 to five people got their panties bunched up, because they weren't competitive, and caused so much trouble, I closed the track. It was not ever my living. I run a construction company for that. If I'd been sanctioned by NHRA, or IHRA, it would have still been open. It was just a pain to hear it every week-end, and I chose not to run. What it boils down to, is the owner won too much. That would not be the problem with an NHRA, or IHRA. But we had participation. Tried to do it at Eddyville, same people threw a wrench in it, and I backed away.

[chris3racing]

Now we are talking. Modified Production racing was the most fun you could have with your clothes on. The spectators and racers loved it. There is no sound like a small block through the lights at 10 grand or better. The old cut gear 4-speed with the dana 60. The wheels up is the show. Even today, everyone likes the wheel stands.

Let's see, I got a camaro, 35 old small block engines, untold cast iron heads, don't know the count of intakes and holley carbs, steel flywheels and muncie "rock crusher" 4-speed still got the 9" hurst competition plus shifter on it, thats it. No buttons to push, maybe lineloc, just strap in, pull the line, put it on the floor and let the clutch out.

We got to get working on this.

[randy wilson]

It truly does work. Could be worked in to divisionals, or national opens. The trick would be to advertise it a year ahead of time, and give people time to adjust. Then, one idea, is limit to one single disc clutch, no computers, stud mounted rockers, except for mopar, no titanium driveline parts, carbon fiber limited to driveshaft only for safety reasons. I don't personally care, these are just ways to keep costs down.

Alow a Jerico or Gforce clutch assisted 4 speed. NHRA Stock eliminator rear suspension. No hood scoops or cowl hoods

Originally Posted by randy wilson

It truly does work. Could be worked in to divisionals, or national opens. The trick would be to advertise it a year ahead of time, and give people time to adjust. Then, one idea, is limit to one single disc clutch, no computers, stud mounted rockers, except for mopar, no titanium driveline parts, carbon fiber limited to driveshaft only for safety reasons. I don't personally care, these are just ways to keep costs down.

[randy wilson]

Any of that could work, but way more back-half cars available, then legal stockers. Would put most behind already. What I think they want, is to regain the popularity of super-mod. Which involved back-half, and scoops. But no rules committe will please all. The ones who want to run no-breakout will enter, the ones who don't, won't. Could also let any year car in, and give a 75lb. break to cars older then a certain year. The $500 dollar head switch would be a $ saver. Lets say first place car draws a number out of a hat, and exchanges. We all know most dollars are spent on heads, and that would keep anyone from trying anything illegal. At least it works for me.

[Mike Pearson]

I started out racing my camaro as a c/sm. That was a tough class to cut your teeth. It was several years before I could run the index. Running the 10.5 tire was tough back then. Clutches were real heavy. I could lay black marks in 3rd gear. The light cars with the small engines were best for the class. My car was not real light so I had to use a 305 Cu In engine. The chevy II cars were better for the class because of lighter weight. There were several guys that were real fast. They were cheating up the cylinder heads similar to the acid SS heads in the day.
The engines made good power but the limiting factor was the tire size and how much power you could hit the tires with on the launch.
The engine, tire and clutch technology is way ahead today from what it was back in the late 1970's when I ran the class.
Given the same set of rules as back then this would be a very expensive class to run
To make an entry level class you would have to limit the mods to the engine. Maybe a spec head with small valves. Flat top pistons. No port work. Small carb like a 600 or 650 Holley. Maybe allow a small shot of nitrous to appeal to the younger crowd. Limit tje max cu in to 330 Stick or auto. Stock front suspension up front and ladder bars only on the rear.

[randy wilson]

I have no problem with that Mike, other then the nitrous, I would think that could get out of hand. I was thinking a 750 carb, because it's been the norm so long in these classes. I have no problem with ladder bars only, and flat top pistons, but I see no $ savings with flat tops. Explain.

[randy wilson]

I've never done this exact scenario, but, say, stock cam diameter, stock lifter diameter, .700 lift at the valve roller. No vac pumps, or external oil pumps. Cast intake only. No external mods to intake, brodix spec only, polish combustion chamber, and milling only. Intake, and exhaust ports remain factory specs. They have the word spec cast into both exhaust and intake, and flow virtually the same all 3 manufactorers. Ford has a little better no. on the exhaust, but not enough to get too excited about. Just my ideas guys, not cut in stone. I know it works for the roundy-rounders.

[Ed Wright]

I ran a '69 Camaro in C/SM the first year they had the class. Read and re-read Rick Voglin's Car Craft articles about building his car. First year there was just the one class, which became B/SMif I remember correctly. Never had a problem running under the index. had heads from RHS to begin with then a set from MI (forget the shop's name) then a killer set from Lee Shephard. The other two sets ran the same, but Lee's heads flowed more and were faster. Had a 292", 305", and 317". Never could get the car light enough for the 292", but it was still the fastest.

I seldon had a problem hooking on 10.5" Firestones, but they started to go away after about 15 passes. Usually left, depending on the track, between 8000 & 9500.

It was a fun class. Danny Bird had a fast one.

Those rules were fine, imho. I never knew of anybody "cheating" the heads. Like building an SS car with lumps on the pistons. Some guys were trying to run them like a Modified car, trying to spin them too high. Made that mistake myself for a while. I think the heads would be tougher to police now.