enders vs anderson

THE LEGEND · 08-21-2012, 11:08 AM

Mike you are real close. I will add a couple items.
1) None of the DD was ever found with the device on their cars.
2) I watched Matty win a 20 k at Commerce on Saturday and not stay for Sunday. When asked why he said whats the odds of winning 2 days in a row.(AT LEAST HE WAS"NT GREEDY)
3) The Device was offered to a friend of mine. Not by a DD person either. It was more widespread than realized.He was gonna buy it but about that time crap hit the fan.
4)Matty was warned at Bristol in 99 that he would be checked at the winter series if he showed up.
5) I was not at Florida when the deal went down but was told by bystanders the situation was about to get ugly. More like a Lynch mob.
With all that being said. Whether DC Did or Did'nt it was 14 years ago. LET IT GO. Eckman finally is going racing again which I think is a good deal. THe Dodge boys got to race again after the Double secret superthrow down probation.
Do you think anybody else out there has never bent the rules?

davidhuff · 08-21-2012, 11:45 AM

So the the story about Dave Connelly tied to the Dirty Dozen is:
(1)Never found any illegal devise on his car
(2)Never found cheating at a nhra race
(3)Never ever found cheating his whole career at any race
(4)Never banned from nhra racing
COME ON MAN!

cicero819 · 08-21-2012, 07:12 PM

Mr Butner this was reported by S&Super Stock Magazine, this is also documented in many other articles on the people who purchased these Device that Matty was selling. All I`m saying is that your friend was splashed from the association with Matty by having purchase such device. Racers using this device were easy to spot since they had to match and watch their tach when crossing the win line instead of watching their opposition. All I`m saying is that it`s hard to forgive any of those racer taking money out of the honest racers who weren`t cheating(this is not like someone trying to find an extra hp), kind of losing the gold medal and finishing second to drug runner as we had to deal many years ago in Canada. I`m not saying that your friend cheated, just that you can`t never trust him because no defence was ever put forward on his behalf. Please enlighten me and I`ll be the first to shut the hell up. This story was well explained to me by a great former editor of a racing magazine many years ago who investigated the subject thoroughly. Glad to see that you are a great friend and you`re proving it by sticking up for him but the past is relevant to the future. Claude Ruel

Julie Jordan · 08-21-2012, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cicero819

Mr Butner this was reported by S&Super Stock Magazine, this is also documented in many other articles on the people who purchased these Device that Matty was selling. All I`m saying is that your friend was splashed from the association with Matty by having purchase such device. Racers using this device were easy to spot since they had to match and watch their tach when crossing the win line instead of watching their opposition. All I`m saying is that it`s hard to forgive any of those racer taking money out of the honest racers who weren`t cheating(this is not like someone trying to find an extra hp), kind of losing the gold medal and finishing second to drug runner as we had to deal many years ago in Canada. I`m not saying that your friend cheated, just that you can`t never trust him because no defence was ever put forward on his behalf. Please enlighten me and I`ll be the first to shut the hell up. This story was well explained to me by a great former editor of a racing magazine many years ago who investigated the subject thoroughly. Glad to see that you are a great friend and you`re proving it by sticking up for him but the past is relevant to the future. Claude Ruel

So cheating to "find" extra horsepower is different than cheating to get to the finish line? Cheating is cheating, whether its against your spouse, not claiming cash income, taking paper clips from your employer or cheating in drag racing. Because no one offers a defense doesn't make a person guilty either. I'm not siding for or against Connelly and the others, I just find the assumption of his guilt to be irrational.

I read something the other day that stuck with me and applies to this situation. "Go ahead. Judge me. Just remember to be perfect the rest of your life."

THE LEGEND · 08-21-2012, 08:00 PM

Cicero,
You seem to know a great deal about something that happened in another country, by the way do you know where Jimmy Hoffa is?

Dinsdale · 08-21-2012, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Cicero,
You seem to know a great deal about something that happened in another country.

And that strikes you as ODD?

cicero819 · 08-22-2012, 07:25 AM

Mr Chip Johnson, drag racing is a worldwide concern. We do race in the U.S. we even know what happens in other countries, believe it or not we(Canada) have family and friends in the U.S. You're right Julie on every count but what I met for the horsepower search is in metaphor form, as in pushing the enveloppe, the letter of the law. On the real subject of the thread I'm glad that Enders is doing so well and nothing like controversy to stir the pot.CR

08-21-2012, 11:08 AM	#1
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: enders vs anderson Mike you are real close. I will add a couple items. 1) None of the DD was ever found with the device on their cars. 2) I watched Matty win a 20 k at Commerce on Saturday and not stay for Sunday. When asked why he said whats the odds of winning 2 days in a row.(AT LEAST HE WAS"NT GREEDY) 3) The Device was offered to a friend of mine. Not by a DD person either. It was more widespread than realized.He was gonna buy it but about that time crap hit the fan. 4)Matty was warned at Bristol in 99 that he would be checked at the winter series if he showed up. 5) I was not at Florida when the deal went down but was told by bystanders the situation was about to get ugly. More like a Lynch mob. With all that being said. Whether DC Did or Did'nt it was 14 years ago. LET IT GO. Eckman finally is going racing again which I think is a good deal. THe Dodge boys got to race again after the Double secret superthrow down probation. Do you think anybody else out there has never bent the rules? Last edited by THE LEGEND; 08-21-2012 at 12:04 PM.

08-21-2012, 11:45 AM	#2
davidhuff Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 928 Likes: 1 Liked 120 Times in 42 Posts	Re: enders vs anderson So the the story about Dave Connelly tied to the Dirty Dozen is: (1)Never found any illegal devise on his car (2)Never found cheating at a nhra race (3)Never ever found cheating his whole career at any race (4)Never banned from nhra racing COME ON MAN!

08-21-2012, 07:12 PM	#3
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: enders vs anderson Mr Butner this was reported by S&Super Stock Magazine, this is also documented in many other articles on the people who purchased these Device that Matty was selling. All I`m saying is that your friend was splashed from the association with Matty by having purchase such device. Racers using this device were easy to spot since they had to match and watch their tach when crossing the win line instead of watching their opposition. All I`m saying is that it`s hard to forgive any of those racer taking money out of the honest racers who weren`t cheating(this is not like someone trying to find an extra hp), kind of losing the gold medal and finishing second to drug runner as we had to deal many years ago in Canada. I`m not saying that your friend cheated, just that you can`t never trust him because no defence was ever put forward on his behalf. Please enlighten me and I`ll be the first to shut the hell up. This story was well explained to me by a great former editor of a racing magazine many years ago who investigated the subject thoroughly. Glad to see that you are a great friend and you`re proving it by sticking up for him but the past is relevant to the future. Claude Ruel

08-21-2012, 08:00 PM	#5
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: enders vs anderson Cicero, You seem to know a great deal about something that happened in another country, by the way do you know where Jimmy Hoffa is?

08-22-2012, 07:25 AM	#7
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: enders vs anderson Mr Chip Johnson, drag racing is a worldwide concern. We do race in the U.S. we even know what happens in other countries, believe it or not we(Canada) have family and friends in the U.S. You're right Julie on every count but what I met for the horsepower search is in metaphor form, as in pushing the enveloppe, the letter of the law. On the real subject of the thread I'm glad that Enders is doing so well and nothing like controversy to stir the pot.CR

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