It's Time to combine

[Andrew Hill]

I think there are a lot of people out there with automatic LS1s that wouldn't be happy about racing heads up with their stickshift counterparts, spotting them 230 lbs in B. This is one of the biggest examples, but there are some more like that. If they combine the sticks and autos, they need to make them the same HP, but then that would screw all the guys with powerglides. It sounds like a lot of work, so I doubt NHRA would want to do it.

[442OLDS]

In 2013, it will be OK for anyone running a 3 speed automatic transmission to run a 2 speed trans and if you have a 2 speed you will be able to run a 3 speed.




With rules like this,might as well run everyone in the same class with the same horsepower rating.

[Marty Knox]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

In 2013, it will be OK for anyone running a 3 speed automatic transmission to run a 2 speed trans and if you have a 2 speed you will be able to run a 3 speed.

With rules like this,might as well run everyone in the same class with the same horsepower rating.

What about sticks? Will I be able to run a 4 speed if NHRA says my car (67 El Camino/230) only came with a 3 speed? You could get a 3 speed with overdrive with a 6 cylinder - how is that different than a 4 speed?

[Tony Janes]

Not at this time. The rule only applies to automatics.

[Jeff Lee]

Not that I communicate with every stick racer in the country but of those that I have spoken to, I've never heard one dissenting opinion on this.

I did ask Pat Cvengros @ NHRA two days ago; why or why not is the NHRA on board with this idea? He replied that it has been proposed by the S/SS representatives and a majority were not in favor of combining sticks & auto's.
Funny, nobody asked me and I haven't had a lapse in membership since 1992.

[Brad Zaskowski]

I think the stick and auto's combined would be cool! Especially if it makes class racing more prestigious again and brings in more class paying contingency sponsors. NHRA just needs to do like others have pointed and keep it simple, same hp ratings, and run at the same weights. If they combined and had everyone run at the auto hp ratings and auto indexes it would only affect less than 14% of the racers running stk and SS. Other than 14% more cars in the classes it wouldn’t affect the auto guys, and what do they care if a few stick cars are in their class everyone knows you can't win in a stick car.
As for the auto being better or worse than a stick for a certain combination, deal with it. Yes right now the stick cars have the auto cars covered in SS/AH but when Westcott was running with the automatic the auto cars were faster. If you think the stick is faster man up and put in a stick, if you think the auto is faster and want to turn in your man card go get an automatic.
I don’t think combining the two would do away with the sticks. Pretty much everyone with a stick car right now wouldn’t change if they were given an auto trans.

[rx dealer]

Originally Posted by Brad Zaskowski

I think the stick and auto's combined would be cool! Especially if it makes class racing more prestigious again and brings in more class paying contingency sponsors. NHRA just needs to do like others have pointed and keep it simple, same hp ratings, and run at the same weights. If they combined and had everyone run at the auto hp ratings and auto indexes it would only affect less than 14% of the racers running stk and SS. Other than 14% more cars in the classes it wouldn’t affect the auto guys, and what do they care if a few stick cars are in their class everyone knows you can't win in a stick car.
As for the auto being better or worse than a stick for a certain combination, deal with it. Yes right now the stick cars have the auto cars covered in SS/AH but when Westcott was running with the automatic the auto cars were faster. If you think the stick is faster man up and put in a stick, if you think the auto is faster and want to turn in your man card go get an automatic.
I don’t think combining the two would do away with the sticks. Pretty much everyone with a stick car right now wouldn’t change if they were given an auto trans.

X 100 well said Brad...everyone knows you can't win in a stick car...LMFAO!!..Luke SS 311

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Brad Zaskowski

I think the stick and auto's combined would be cool! Especially if it makes class racing more prestigious again and brings in more class paying contingency sponsors. NHRA just needs to do like others have pointed and keep it simple, same hp ratings, and run at the same weights. If they combined and had everyone run at the auto hp ratings and auto indexes it would only affect less than 14% of the racers running stk and SS. Other than 14% more cars in the classes it wouldn’t affect the auto guys, and what do they care if a few stick cars are in their class everyone knows you can't win in a stick car.
As for the auto being better or worse than a stick for a certain combination, deal with it. Yes right now the stick cars have the auto cars covered in SS/AH but when Westcott was running with the automatic the auto cars were faster. If you think the stick is faster man up and put in a stick, if you think the auto is faster and want to turn in your man card go get an automatic.
I don’t think combining the two would do away with the sticks. Pretty much everyone with a stick car right now wouldn’t change if they were given an auto trans.

Brad I'm getting that license plate made "Where's your man card?"

[Dave Tincher]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

Brad I'm getting that license plate made "Where's your man card?"

First off I respect all the stick racers, heck the ones I'm at the track with are stick guys and they love it. I personally choose to race a automatic and I love it does that make me less of a man? I received my man card in the US marines in 1994 and I still carry that card with me daily if you all think because what you choose to do or drive at the track makes you a man then that's fine, but if you want to see some real life scares that came with my man card stop by and check mine out sometime...... I'm all for combining sticks and autos if we make it a level playing field with the same hp ratings for them both....is that what you want.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Not that I communicate with every stick racer in the country but of those that I have spoken to, I've never heard one dissenting opinion on this.

I did ask Pat Cvengros @ NHRA two days ago; why or why not is the NHRA on board with this idea? He replied that it has been proposed by the S/SS representatives and a majority were not in favor of combining sticks & auto's.
Funny, nobody asked me and I haven't had a lapse in membership since 1992.

While you're talking to your "buddy" Pat why don't you ask him to give everybody a 780 Holley, an aluminium intake and a .477 lift cam, combine Stock and SS, combine sticks and autos and call it all ET-2! Apparently that's what it would take to make you happy!
BTW, nobody asked me either and my membership hasn't lapsed since the 70s.