Fuel Check What's the point???

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by art leong

Jim. A lot of people on here could vouch for the fact they don't like me, Ever hear of the Artie Leong factor? 13.5 percent at one time, from races they were not supposed to count.
I'm not by any means one of their fair haired boys.

I can testify! Artie is a baaaaaaaad boy! Jim


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[Dennis P Chapman]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I can testify! Artie is a baaaaaaaad boy! Jim


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[dragracer9911]

I think what he is saying is that it is a "bracket race" after any heads up runs or class eliminations. With the cost for racing fuel and the extra .10 you pick up from it, it's all about shoe polish. In the "good old days", everyone ran off their class index. The faster car within their index should win against slower car running off their index. There was an advantage for every hundredth of a second to be fast. Now, it doesn't matter as much about ET, because you put what you want on the window. It's more about the cost of the fuel, not the fuel check it self.
With our bracket cars, we used to run VP or CAM 2 fuel at $12.00 a gallon. Now we run Sunoco 93 pump gas @ $3.80 to $ 4.10 a gallon with one degree of timing taken out. Last night, my son's stick car ran an 11.98, 11.97, 11.96, 11.97., so consistency has not been an issue either.
Just my .02.

[Floyd Staggs]

Does Sunoco 93 pass fuel check?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by dragracer9911

I think what he is saying is that it is a "bracket race" after any heads up runs or class eliminations. With the cost for racing fuel and the extra .10 you pick up from it, it's all about shoe polish. In the "good old days", everyone ran off their class index. The faster car within their index should win against slower car running off their index. There was an advantage for every hundredth of a second to be fast. Now, it doesn't matter as much about ET, because you put what you want on the window. It's more about the cost of the fuel, not the fuel check it self.
With our bracket cars, we used to run VP or CAM 2 fuel at $12.00 a gallon. Now we run Sunoco 93 pump gas @ $3.80 to $ 4.10 a gallon with one degree of timing taken out. Last night, my son's stick car ran an 11.98, 11.97, 11.96, 11.97., so consistency has not been an issue either.
Just my .02.

The "good old days" when you won if you got to the starting line first. Only lasted one year. I think it was 1975. From then till now it's been shoe polish. Except in the case of same class.

[Bob Don]

This thread has strayed a little from fuel check. I'll throw in my .02 in that I agree with Joe. In a previous thread, Bob Bender suggested that any fuel DQ on the low side (showing old or bad fuel) not be counted as this does not offer any performance advantage. I agree with that. Last year I bought 10 gallons of fresh Sunoco purple at Numidia and went to Englishtown the following weekend for the Supernationals and my fuel was declared no good. Luckily, I had an old jug of Sunoco and it passed no problem. (my lawn mower ran great that summer). So how about continuing with fuel check but only DQ for failure on the high side?

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by Bob Don

This thread has strayed a little from fuel check. I'll throw in my .02 in that I agree with Joe. In a previous thread, Bob Bender suggested that any fuel DQ on the low side (showing old or bad fuel) not be counted as this does not offer any performance advantage. I agree with that. Last year I bought 10 gallons of fresh Sunoco purple at Numidia and went to Englishtown the following weekend for the Supernationals and my fuel was declared no good. Luckily, I had an old jug of Sunoco and it passed no problem. (my lawn mower ran great that summer). So how about continuing with fuel check but only DQ for failure on the high side?

Because that makes too much sense, Bob!

I find it hard to believe that with the advances in technology in the last 10 years, SOMEONE hasn't been able to design an apparatus that can screen out performance-increasing additives added to gasoline. Other than the financial considerations (not having to buy $15-a-gallon race fuel), why shouldn't the powers that be find a way to allow us to use pump gas if we want to?

I know every combination is different, but most of the vehicles with lower compression may not need all that octane.

Just my $.02

Lew

[FINESPLINE]

I had read a few years ago in a engineering journal that in many instances ( not all -but most ) that engines ( stock type ) can ran faster on a certain tune with lower octane than available race gas. That going as low as you can with octane with no detonation has shown those results. Would love to post the article but can't find the magazine since I moved. This probably has something to do with the big power engine builders and tuners are getting from pump gas motors nowadays. Wouldn't that be a nice shot in the wallet.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Bob Don

This thread has strayed a little from fuel check. I'll throw in my .02 in that I agree with Joe. In a previous thread, Bob Bender suggested that any fuel DQ on the low side (showing old or bad fuel) not be counted as this does not offer any performance advantage. I agree with that. Last year I bought 10 gallons of fresh Sunoco purple at Numidia and went to Englishtown the following weekend for the Supernationals and my fuel was declared no good. Luckily, I had an old jug of Sunoco and it passed no problem. (my lawn mower ran great that summer). So how about continuing with fuel check but only DQ for failure on the high side?

I have run Sunoco Purple with NO problems until this year.You go to a race and they tell you that your fuel is close to not passing,better get some fresh fuel.(It was fresh)

You get to the next race one week later and your fuel is really good....NO problem (Same fuel)

You go to the next race,and its borderline again.

(This is from testing a sample right out of the jug to eliminate anything to do with the car)

How can it get old,fresh,and old again in a matter of a few weeks?

[FINESPLINE]

Truly amazing how fuel ( racing gas ) can be bought fresh in a sealed can and immediately not pass check and amazingly enough rejuvenate itself and pass check another week. If the fuel is on the low side or on the verge of checking low why would it not be able to be used. The owner/ driver would only be shorting himself of the extra hp. At the price of the fuel that should be his decision. Somebody is stroking somebody bigtime. I won't point no fingers, your big boys,you know what I am talking about. Just another NHRA enhancement. Has anybody ever challenged the findings of a fuel check as there seems to be plenty of money in the pits. What is it to buy the same equipment nhra uses and compare. You might be surprised it just might stop. my .02 cents