GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Ken Miele]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

You are simply too clueless to converse with.

Why don't you man up and use your real name.

With a comment like this no wonder some people don't like to use real names. He asks legitimate questions and your response is "clueless".

Your intolerance and lack of respect makes Class Racers look like a bunch of stuck up racers.

Is that how you want new people getting into class racing to perceive us?

[art leong]

This is not the fault of the racers that go out and buy their cars.
That is the way it's done. Look at the pro classes? How many of them started in the sportsman ranks?
Not all of us remember going to the junkyard in search of race car parts. Times have changed.
The fault lies totally with NHRA and the bogus horsepower numbers.
When the Hemi came out, Chrysler rated it at 425 hp. Before one ever hit the track NHRA raised it to 500 for the race hemi and 480 for the street hemi in superstock and 440 for the street hemi in stock. I'm sure there were other combos that were handled the same.
NHRA wanted these new cars so bad they sold their souls to get them

[Jim Kaekel]

Originally Posted by art leong

NHRA wanted these new cars so bad they sold their souls to get them

Art- That says it all.

Charlie, who supplies NHRA with their official vehicles? Oh, that's right...Ford.

[Byron Worner]

Ford was first followed by Chrysler. They both packed the horsepower on most of the combinations. GM is following their lead. They are no more bogus than the combinations by Ford and Chrysler!

[Greg Hill]

Are none of you guys with new cars willing to write letters to NHRA or the manufacturers? Makes me think you like beating up on the old cars. You do realize you have unfair advantages don't you.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Are none of you guys with new cars willing to write letters to NHRA or the manufacturers? Makes me think you like beating up on the old cars. You do realize you have unfair advantages don't you.

You honestly dont think that you have held an unfair advantage over other older combinations with your LT1?

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by GUMP

You honestly dont think that you have held an unfair advantage over other older combinations with your LT1?

What are you talking about? Our motors are so underrated that there is no one but me running my combination and only one other person running Andrew's motor. When I first started with my motor 20 years ago it was a 11.40 car in F/SA. The 400 Pontiacs , the 390 Fords and the 340 Chryslers are easily as good as our motors. Before you open your mouth you should have at least a clue what you are talking about.

[RJ Sledge]

Greg, I believe what Gump is referring to is the abnormal amount of HP that were taken off your Combo's. E/S is a 10 lb Class correct? That would be 350 lbs you get to take out. Have there been any other Combo's that had that much HP taken off?

You also mentioned that the "390 Fords" were easily as good, but a while back "they couldn't out run a 327 Camaro in 1967". So which is it??
Confused in Texas....lol

RJ

Merry Christmas Buddy

Go Irish!!
Sorry Chad

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

What are you talking about? Our motors are so underrated that there is no one but me running my combination and only one other person running Andrew's motor. When I first started with my motor 20 years ago it was a 11.40 car in F/SA. The 400 Pontiacs , the 390 Fords and the 340 Chryslers are easily as good as our motors. Before you open your mouth you should have at least a clue what you are talking about.

So are you saying that they are not at all underated? You didnt get any gift? If someone went out and built your combinations and ran hard all year long, they wouldnt get HP? I will say honestly, that I dont care at all about your combination. It is up to the other guys in your class or any other class to push things if they want to. I will say that I really hate all of the 1000 ft qualifying that goes on.

My first love was a 1969 GTO. Before the new factory cars were announced I was looking at building a GTO. Eventually I will build several. Not because I think they are the best combination, but because I think they are cool.

As far as the whole VIN thing goes, I think that you guys are your own worst enemy. I really doubt that any of you are writing the NHRA to complain about all of the aftermarket parts that have been allowed over the last few years. If you had refused the any valve job, aftermarket rockers, any valvespring changes (etc.) I would maybe sympathize with you. A cool part of Stock used to be pushing the stock parts to their limit. Every once in a while a race was decided by those limits. It sucks when you lose that way, but to me, it is no worse than red lighting.

When I started racing Stock I purchased a 1995 Formula new from my local Pontiac dealer. At that time I sold or trashed about half of it. Right now I am finishing my 2010 Camaro. I started with a BIW, because there is almost nothing stock about Stock any more. I never asked the NHRA for anything, so I guarantee you it isnt my fault that a VIN is now irrelevant.

As far as the 427/425 combination goes. I would suggest that as delivered the number is pretty fair. I think that you can get quite a lot more out of it but it will take work and money just like any other combination. It is nowhere near as out of wack as a lot of the brand-X combinations. I cant speak for the other COPO combinations.

I think that GM has done their best to deliver an honest Stocker based on todays rules.

My record will probably stay broken.......

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by GUMP

You honestly dont think that you have held an unfair advantage over other older combinations with your LT1?

At least it came in a car with a VIN# on it.