GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Paul Wong]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

And I hate to break it to you but that's bull *****.

I know someone that has over $100,000.00 in a '62 Plymouth and they don't qualify in the top half. Those of us that have these cars are standing on over 40 years of testing and engineering and unless rules allow us to expand the pool of parts we will NOT go any faster.

You can throw a Million dollars at a 427 Camaro and it will NEVER be as fast as a supercharged Mustang.

Have you ever built stocker? Those of us that have built an upper class stocker have done everything legal and quasi-legal over a 40 year period and this is as fast as we can go.......period! There is not an extra 4/10ths to be found no matter the cost!

JimR

I have a lot less than that in a 62 plymouth and I dont expect or deserve anything. I know it will qualify in the top half. I am not going to even get into a politcal discussion about entitlement, expectation or what people deserve. I can tell you we are heading toward a serious reorganization - consolidation of this sport and we will see some real enhancement then.

[boster]

I have to agree with Charlie . If I spend a 100k on a car it better qualify in the top 10 anywhere in the country . And for this very reason Im going to by a twin turbo CJ as soon as I can .

Can wait till we have 8.20 stockers and 7.20 super stockers and they are coming to an NHRA track near you.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by A56

I can see that a big issue is lack of respect. NHRA has no respect for Stock Eliminator, the racers have no respect for NHRA, new car owners have no respect for us old car owners, and until the HP of the new cars are put to real world rating old car owners wont have any respect for them either.

Mark Lelchook
F/SA D/ED

I don't think it can be put any better than this.

[Ed Wright]

I think you nailed it.

[5343stk]

I'm starting to realize why I have no ambition to work on our cars or buy any new parts....

I should be saving my money for a new car so I can compete...

[Ed Wright]

Bill "Farmer" Dismuke would have already fixed this.

[NBD MGT]

I looked at some 2012 NHRA results on Drag Race Central and it seems like the classes below CC/S are dominated by older cars in qualifying and eliminations.

Otherwise there is a mixed bag of old & new in the top-10 for overall qualifying and although a few events showed some newer cars in the top 3 in some cases newer cars were well below the top 20.

Is it safe to say that 100% of the time no older cars can possibly run .9 to 1.1 under index in any of the classes below CC/S? That would have to be the case if everyone with a 2007 and older car should give up like some are saying.

I still don't get how the real complaint is new cars with bogus HP ratings when a LOT of the muscle car era engines that nobody complains about were also underrated.

Examples: 427/425. 427/435, and 454/450 Chevys or 427/425 Thunderbolts and 428/335 Cobra Jets.

For sure the bigger & badder Chevy's were underrated by 100 or more HP and so was the 1964 Thunderbolt.

One thing I'd bet on is the newer factory cars will never go 2 to 4 seconds faster than they did when they were new like the older cars do. I'd also bet the newer car engines won't gain as much HP after tweaking as some of the older combinations do.

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by NBD MGT

IOne thing I'd bet on is the newer factory cars will never go 2 to 4 seconds faster than they did when they were new like the older cars do. I'd also bet the newer car engines won't gain as much HP after tweaking as some of the older combinations do.

They will go faster when it is needed but it will not cost them any money. They will just open the throttle body a little more. They might even need to start opening the secondaries.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

They will go faster when it is needed but it will not cost them any money. They will just open the throttle body a little more. They might even need to start opening the secondaries.

The keyboard racers haven't been near the finish line hearing the cars shutting off at 1000', several still running nearly a second under, or setting records, with 2 barrels of their 4 barrel throttle bodies disconnected. Also don't know how fast many have gone when running flat out during private test sessions. They only know what they see on DRC. Therefore do not really know what is going on.

[NBD MGT]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

They will go faster when it is needed but it will not cost them any money. They will just open the throttle body a little more. They might even need to start opening the secondaries.

Which combinations run secondaries fully or mostly closed?