GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Are none of you guys with new cars willing to write letters to NHRA or the manufacturers? Makes me think you like beating up on the old cars. You do realize you have unfair advantages don't you.

You honestly dont think that you have held an unfair advantage over other older combinations with your LT1?

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by GUMP

You honestly dont think that you have held an unfair advantage over other older combinations with your LT1?

What are you talking about? Our motors are so underrated that there is no one but me running my combination and only one other person running Andrew's motor. When I first started with my motor 20 years ago it was a 11.40 car in F/SA. The 400 Pontiacs , the 390 Fords and the 340 Chryslers are easily as good as our motors. Before you open your mouth you should have at least a clue what you are talking about.

[RJ Sledge]

Greg, I believe what Gump is referring to is the abnormal amount of HP that were taken off your Combo's. E/S is a 10 lb Class correct? That would be 350 lbs you get to take out. Have there been any other Combo's that had that much HP taken off?

You also mentioned that the "390 Fords" were easily as good, but a while back "they couldn't out run a 327 Camaro in 1967". So which is it??
Confused in Texas....lol

RJ

Merry Christmas Buddy

Go Irish!!
Sorry Chad

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by R J Sledge

Greg, I believe what Gump is referring to is the abnormal amount of HP that were taken off your Combo's. E/S is a 10 lb Class correct? That would be 350 lbs you get to take out. Have there been any other Combo's that had that much HP taken off?

You also mentioned that the "390 Fords" were easily as good, but a while back "they couldn't out run a 327 Camaro in 1967". So which is it??
Confused in Texas....lol

RJ

Merry Christmas
Go Irish!!
Sorry Chad

RJ, my motor which is the 71-72 combination was rated at 330 in 71 and 255 in 72 and is now 315. Andrew's motor which is the 70 combination was factory rated at 360 and is now rated at 325. These two combinations are by far the highest rated old small block Chevys that anyone runs. My comments about the 390 pertained to 1967 and not today. We feel like we have good combinations but Andrew and I both have been out run heads up in the past year by a Pontiac and a Chrysler.

Merry Christmas to you and GO IRISH!!!!!

Oh, by the way, I can't believe a man of your advanced age is actually building a new car.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

What are you talking about? Our motors are so underrated that there is no one but me running my combination and only one other person running Andrew's motor. When I first started with my motor 20 years ago it was a 11.40 car in F/SA. The 400 Pontiacs , the 390 Fords and the 340 Chryslers are easily as good as our motors. Before you open your mouth you should have at least a clue what you are talking about.

So are you saying that they are not at all underated? You didnt get any gift? If someone went out and built your combinations and ran hard all year long, they wouldnt get HP? I will say honestly, that I dont care at all about your combination. It is up to the other guys in your class or any other class to push things if they want to. I will say that I really hate all of the 1000 ft qualifying that goes on.

My first love was a 1969 GTO. Before the new factory cars were announced I was looking at building a GTO. Eventually I will build several. Not because I think they are the best combination, but because I think they are cool.

As far as the whole VIN thing goes, I think that you guys are your own worst enemy. I really doubt that any of you are writing the NHRA to complain about all of the aftermarket parts that have been allowed over the last few years. If you had refused the any valve job, aftermarket rockers, any valvespring changes (etc.) I would maybe sympathize with you. A cool part of Stock used to be pushing the stock parts to their limit. Every once in a while a race was decided by those limits. It sucks when you lose that way, but to me, it is no worse than red lighting.

When I started racing Stock I purchased a 1995 Formula new from my local Pontiac dealer. At that time I sold or trashed about half of it. Right now I am finishing my 2010 Camaro. I started with a BIW, because there is almost nothing stock about Stock any more. I never asked the NHRA for anything, so I guarantee you it isnt my fault that a VIN is now irrelevant.

As far as the 427/425 combination goes. I would suggest that as delivered the number is pretty fair. I think that you can get quite a lot more out of it but it will take work and money just like any other combination. It is nowhere near as out of wack as a lot of the brand-X combinations. I cant speak for the other COPO combinations.

I think that GM has done their best to deliver an honest Stocker based on todays rules.

My record will probably stay broken.......

[Bruce Noland]

Our own worst enemies? Says who? Can you new car guys do anything more to ruin Stock? What could that be? I know, you're going to ask the oem's for the universial RR500 turboshaft option if we continue to speak out about this little cabal. To be honest big guy we have nothing to lose. You guys have taken all you can get. For now!

[Peter Ash]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Our own worst enemies? Says who? Can you new car guys do anything more to ruin Stock? What could that be? I know, you're going to ask the oem's for the universial RR500 turboshaft option if we continue to speak out about this little cabal. To be honest big guy we have nothing to lose. You guys have taken all you can get. For now!

now, now, now, Lets not go putting this load of @#$%/ blame on people who wish to participate with a new car.

[Bruce Noland]

Well let's see, there is plenty of blame to go around!

"New car folks" includes everyone who is involved in this Stocker sham. This includes the oem's, nhra and the guys who make it all possible - you know, the guys who are plunking down all the money. None of this would work for nhra and the oem's if the new car guys were not there putting up the dough to take advantage of their generous programs. Wouldn't you agree?

[D.Johns]

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[Charley Downing]

Can the same ten guys just shut the F*** up for one day about old vs new and under factored combos. You ***** clowns are like little kids, just shut up. Its not even fun screwing with you guys anymore. And has for the four or five complainers that don't race, but want to chime in. BUILD A STOCKER or SSer, or don't talk.

Greg if you ran your car all out at races like the columbus sportsnats this year (where you gave up class to keep from getting HP) people may take your complaints a little more serious.

New rule Kenny no one can post about new cars unless your over 75 years in age or you went to 4 or more national events last year.

D. John, I love Mr Crabs he always knows what to say.