GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Rat Raceway]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

"Victor showed up at Rockingham with this car at 8:30 Friday night and we made four runs with the car.

“For the little bit of time we had to test, and to go out there and win class, and do as well as we have done is a big statement for GM. It’s got a lot left. We haven’t had a lot of test time to get everything dialed in.”

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...n-stock-action

“This has been real good. We couldn’t be more pleased with how the car has been running,” Patterson said. “It’s still got the stock GM tune-up just like it came with when we picked it up two weeks ago. We’ve made some changes to the suspension and, so far, we couldn’t be happier.”

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...ts-to-the-copo

Final of CC/SA at Indy
David Connolly
60': 1.306
330': 3.833
660': 5.995
MPH: 113.37
1000': 7.867
1320': 9.646
MPH: 112.01

Todd Patterson
60': 1.294
330': 3.819
660': 5.958
MPH: 116.26
1000': 7.815
1320': 9.540
MPH: 121.01

Looks to be a mid 9.30 against a low 9.40 run if they ran them out.

"3:22 p.m. Weather conditions: air temperature 83 degrees, relative humidity 43 percent, barometer 29.16 inches, adjusted altitude 3,121 feet, track temperature 120 degrees."

http://dragracecentral.com/DRCStory....r2012#indextop

Is this enough backup for you?

Both cars your quoting are NOTHING like they came from Chevy.
There is NO WAY that is the stock GM tune! Or engine,cam, gears, trans, vert, axles, driveshaft and the list goes on... They will not 1.3x 60' stock!!!

The COPO cars are fast from chevy, but again NOTHING like Cazzette or Patterson.

I'm not arguing, it's just apples and oranges comparing what comes off the floor and the cars your talking about. They are more like a BIW ground up build. More like 200k car.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Rat Raceway

Both cars your quoting are NOTHING like they came from Chevy.
There is NO WAY that is the stock GM tune! Or engine,cam, gears, trans, vert, axles, driveshaft and the list goes on... They will not 1.3x 60' stock!!!

The COPO cars are fast from chevy, but again NOTHING like Cazzette or Patterson.

I'm not arguing, it's just apples and oranges comparing what comes off the floor and the cars your talking about. They are more like a BIW ground up build. More like 200k car.

So they were completely lying about using the stock GM tunes and doing absolutely nothing to the engine? Clearly they don't have the 1.80 low powerglide in them still, that is what I said, different transmission and converter. Why would changing a driveshaft or axles have any effect on the car whatsoever? They come with aluminum driveshafts and Strange 35-spline axles.

They had these cars for less than two weeks before Indy, not really enough time to do many in depth modifications, especially seeing as Cagnazzi was worrying about 2 pro stock cars as well.

[Rat Raceway]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

So they were completely lying about using the stock GM tunes and doing absolutely nothing to the engine? Clearly they don't have the 1.80 low powerglide in them still, that is what I said, different transmission and converter. Why would changing a driveshaft or axles have any effect on the car whatsoever? They come with aluminum driveshafts and Strange 35-spline axles.

They had these cars for less than two weeks before Indy, not really enough time to do many in depth modifications, especially seeing as Cagnazzi was worrying about 2 pro stock cars as well.

When you have money like that 2 weeks can be two years. Less rotating mass makes you go faster.


Like I said BS that is the stock tune!

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Rat Raceway

When you have money like that 2 weeks can be two years. Less rotating mass makes you go faster.

We're not talking a few thousandths lol, there is absolutely no reason to change axles or driveshaft. But that's not the point.

These engines have not been apart (well they probably have been by now, but not then). Part of that shows how well they are built from the performance parts catalogs in the first place, but it also shows that there is absolutely no way in the world they should be rated the same as the old 427.

Like I said BS that is the stock tune!

Well maybe you should ask Mr. Patterson if he was lying or if Competition Plus misquoted him.

[Rat Raceway]

Good god!

Not calling anyone a lier!

Never mind carry on!

By the way I own car 33 and will be racing next year. See you at the track.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Rat Raceway

Good god!

Not calling anyone a lier!

Never mind carry on!

By the way I own car 33 and will be racing next year. See you at the track.

Yes, Ross, you are. Cagnazzi and Patterson said they were running the factory tune up, and you claim they were not. That is pretty damned clear, you claim they are stating things that are not true. Pretty much how Webster defines the word "lie", or the word "liar".

[Rat Raceway]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Yes, Ross, you are. Cagnazzi and Patterson said they were running the factory tune up, and you claim they were not. That is pretty damned clear, you claim they are stating things that are not true. Pretty much how Webster defines the word "lie", or the word "liar".

Ok then tell me why Dave Connolly says in the interview at sema with GM. (I will find the video when I get to a PC, on a iPad) I pulled up to the line and the tires come up, the way it came from chevy.
Here is the video hell it even says tuned by Brian Macy... Turn up the sound. That car has a three speed and a lose vert.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X91mgz6b7AU&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]2012 COPO Camaro Testing - Victor Cagnazzi Racing, Dave Connolly and Brian Macy - YouTube[/ame]

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Rat Raceway

Both cars your quoting are NOTHING like they came from Chevy.
There is NO WAY that is the stock GM tune! Or engine,cam, gears, trans, vert, axles, driveshaft and the list goes on... They will not 1.3x 60' stock!!!

The COPO cars are fast from chevy, but again NOTHING like Cazzette or Patterson.

I'm not arguing, it's just apples and oranges comparing what comes off the floor and the cars your talking about. They are more like a BIW ground up build. More like 200k car.

So, you're calling Patterson and Cagnazzi liars?


By all means, walk up to them and call them liars. Please, post your adventure to youtube so we can all enjoy it.

The new COPO cars do not come off the showroom floor, and those are real COPO cars, I've seen them both. They are not body in white builds.

Oh, and GM gave NHRA the rotating assembly weights, so your rotating mass goes out the window.

Evidently you didn't see Mike testing the original COPO car right after the 2011 PRI Show. I was there when the guys at ATI gave him the converters for each engine.

[Charley Downing]

Greg you and Andrew both want a unlevel playing field, that is why you never run your cars all out. If you get HP on your combo you won't have that advantage over slower cars in your class. Your just like everyone else. Get off your high horse. I will play by any rules NHRA puts in place. Because I love to race.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Greg you and Andrew both want a unlevel playing field, that is why you never run your cars all out. If you get HP on your combo you won't have that advantage over slower cars in your class. Your just like everyone else. Get off your high horse. I will play by any rules NHRA puts in place. Because I love it race.

So we have an advantage over the 400 Pontiacs, 340 Chryslers, LS1 Corvettes and GTOs? As I said before, I'd be insane to go out and go 1.10 under at the Indy points race, get 7 HP, and show up at Columbus in July, have to race Randi Lynn (again, haha) and spot her 70 lbs. Or I could go to Earlville, race Brad VanLant and spot him 170 instead of the 100 I already do. If I had multiple tenths over the competition, I'd go out and qualify number one every race, but I don't have that luxury.