Why did you build your "slow" stock eliminator car?

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Darn it,Gary..You know I hate looking in those books.
Okay ...we're talking identical motors here Cavalier and Cimarron..Same specs .
Chevy, original 120 up to who knows what ...down to 125 ..thanks to you and 1-800-CRY-NHRA.
Caddy..130...up to 140 when we had one .Set the C/FS stick record @14.32, 90,, 8.97 in the eighth in 1992. ....Now down to 130 in '07.

FI system ? Whatever you have it's better than what we had ..if you have anything better than
stock OEM.
There's a nice '87 on C/L .Did you see it?...Little high on the money, but doesn't even need paint...hmmm

You hate looking in books, and talk about 1-800-CRY-NHRA? HAH!!! Just because we had the same motor doesn't mean we had the same fi system, or the same heads. FYI, the '87 173 V6 came with aluminum heads (not cast iron like the '86 and California '85 versions (thus it's factory rating of 130hp). I don't have a better fi system than the Stock OEM system, I just have an Accel Calmap to allow for tuning adjustments...the fuel system is factory stock...wanna look? Be at the upcoming divisionals and you can see for yourself. If I'm going to look for any other car, it'll be a MOPAR, because that's what I was hoping to get before I crossed paths with my Cavalier, so no if I look for anything on C/L it'll be for headers, or a helmet, or slicks. I hope you do buy it (since you may be able to afford it). I should've kept my Plymouth Acclaim that I raced in 2000, because it was even more consistent than the Cavalier, and Mopar did a much better job of offering performance parts to hop them up than Chevy did. At least once I get another laptop to make tuning adjustments on my calmap, I'll give myself a chance to enhance the performance of my motor, so that once I get the funds to get a better cam, and hopefully headers, I'll finally make some progress to offset the index adjustments NHRA has made.

Go ahead Mark, I hope you do spend your money and buy that car...I'm not the only one you'll be able to race in stock, and remember the national event you won wasn't with a GM product, it was a Ford! If you want to spend your money on that go for it...different year, different heads, different fi system...knock yourself out! If I had Feb. '93 back, then I'd be going up to the front door of the owner of that '64 4dr Belvedere with a 318 and an automatic, and started talking to him about his car. What I've gone through (with my lack of yours or Billy Nees mechanical skill level), to try and make this combo competitive has been enough that I wouldn't do it again. I'd go with a combo that was befitting my mechanical training level (pre-'83)! However, I'm still competitive with this car, and I don't have to frequently work on it, so that's why I'm glad I have it. When the funds come, I know who to go to for making the car go quicker, and they'll see me!

No one has one a national event, or an NHRA Divisional race with a GM product, so those milestones are still out there, and as long as my car keeps plugging along, I'm going for it. If you want to try and beat me to those feats, bring it...I'll be waiting for you, but remember this...SO WILL THE OTHER STOCKER RACERS !!!!

Oh and after seeing the latest hp listings on the NHRA website, know this...in order for your combo to change my combo's factor, you'll have to run the exact year and engine combo that I run...happy hunting....lol

[Jack McCarthy]

if YAC builds one it will run -1.00... or he wont mess with it.

captain

if billy builds it it will run -1.25 under for less money

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

if YAC builds one it will run -1.00... or he wont mess with it.

captain

if billy builds it it will run -1.25 under for less money

10-4 on the less money, Jacko...Krylon is up over $3.00 and I use a lot of it

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

if YAC builds one it will run -1.00... or he wont mess with it.

captain

if billy builds it it will run -1.25 under for less money

I doubt that!
Marks much more "liberal" than I am.;-)

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

You hate looking in books, and talk about 1-800-CRY-NHRA? HAH!!! Just because we had the same motor doesn't mean we had the same fi system, or the same heads. FYI, the '87 173 V6 came with aluminum heads (not cast iron like the '86 and California '85 versions (thus it's factory rating of 130hp). I don't have a better fi system than the Stock OEM system, I just have an Accel Calmap to allow for tuning adjustments...the fuel system is factory stock...wanna look? Be at the upcoming divisionals and you can see for yourself. If I'm going to look for any other car, it'll be a MOPAR, because that's what I was hoping to get before I crossed paths with my Cavalier, so no if I look for anything on C/L it'll be for headers, or a helmet, or slicks. I hope you do buy it (since you may be able to afford it). I should've kept my Plymouth Acclaim that I raced in 2000, because it was even more consistent than the Cavalier, and Mopar did a much better job of offering performance parts to hop them up than Chevy did. At least once I get another laptop to make tuning adjustments on my calmap, I'll give myself a chance to enhance the performance of my motor, so that once I get the funds to get a better cam, and hopefully headers, I'll finally make some progress to offset the index adjustments NHRA has made.

Go ahead Mark, I hope you do spend your money and buy that car...I'm not the only one you'll be able to race in stock, and remember the national event you won wasn't with a GM product, it was a Ford! If you want to spend your money on that go for it...different year, different heads, different fi system...knock yourself out! If I had Feb. '93 back, then I'd be going up to the front door of the owner of that '64 4dr Belvedere with a 318 and an automatic, and started talking to him about his car. What I've gone through (with my lack of yours or Billy Nees mechanical skill level), to try and make this combo competitive has been enough that I wouldn't do it again. I'd go with a combo that was befitting my mechanical training level (pre-'83)! However, I'm still competitive with this car, and I don't have to frequently work on it, so that's why I'm glad I have it. When the funds come, I know who to go to for making the car go quicker, and they'll see me!

No one has one a national event, or an NHRA Divisional race with a GM product, so those milestones are still out there, and as long as my car keeps plugging along, I'm going for it. If you want to try and beat me to those feats, bring it...I'll be waiting for you, but remember this...SO WILL THE OTHER STOCKER RACERS !!!!

Oh and after seeing the latest hp listings on the NHRA website, know this...in order for your combo to change my combo's factor, you'll have to run the exact year and engine combo that I run...happy hunting....lol

Oh I'd change that car to an '86 in a heartbeat...I wanna run the same exact pud combo you have..


Again ,you brought up f.i. system..not the fuel system.
Like I said... If you have aftermarket anything (Accel) then you have more than we had ..
We had nothing but GM parts in the fuel system ,...and in the f. i. system...and we had the exact same iron cylinder heads and FI that you have Okay? Got it?

Bill Drevo won an NHRA divisional at Suffolk in 1985 with his 173 2.8 X-11 Citation..so you can forget about doing that first too.

This one's ready for the jury....

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Oh I'd change that car to an '86 in a heartbeat...I wanna run the same exact pud combo you have..


Again ,you brought up f.i. system..not the fuel system.
Like I said... If you have aftermarket anything (Accel) then you have more than we had ..
We had nothing but GM parts in the fuel system ,...and in the f. i. system...and we had the exact same iron cylinder heads and FI that you have Okay? Got it?

Bill Drevo won an NHRA divisional at Suffolk in 1985 with his 173 2.8 X-11 Citation..so you can forget about doing that first too.

This one's ready for the jury....

Fuel system, fuel injection system...same thing in cars like that...granted I left out that I replaced the factory computer with an rules legal Accel Calmap (however I don't have Woodro Josey's smarts on how to tune it, and no baseline was given for me to start out with like the V8's got to enjoy thanks to him)!

Like I said, I don't have yours or Billy Dees smarts, so that's a major strike against me, however, the last time I made a tuning change, it was worth .4 sec, so I'm heading in the right direction (if only I was closer to someone like Woodro Josey, or Craig Railsback at B.D.S., because they would set my calmap up straight). My question to you is did you have headers on your Cimarron? I recall in the '80's they made them for fwd cars with my engine...perhaps Billy Drevo had a set on his divisional event winning Citation...I know Linda Sherman had them on her Citation, because Randy Hyman bought her car, and it came with Hooker Headers. Moreover, since now you're calling my combo pud, go for it! I hope you do buy it! You have 4-5 wks to build it and convert it to an '86 's specs, which means (if it's a Cavalier), you'll have to get a flat hood (not cowl inducted), and cast iron heads. I hope you do get it, because as I also said, I'm not the only one you'll have to race against, and good luck trying to qualify to race me.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Fuel system, fuel injection system...same thing in cars like that...granted I left out that I replaced the factory computer with an rules legal Accel Calmap (however I don't have Woodro Josey's smarts on how to tune it, and no baseline was given for me to start out with like the V8's got to enjoy thanks to him)!

Like I said, I don't have yours or Billy Dees smarts, so that's a major strike against me, however, the last time I made a tuning change, it was worth .4 sec, so I'm heading in the right direction (if only I was closer to someone like Woodro Josey, or Craig Railsback at B.D.S., because they would set my calmap up straight). My question to you is did you have headers on your Cimarron? I recall in the '80's they made them for fwd cars with my engine...perhaps Billy Drevo had a set on his divisional event winning Citation...I know Linda Sherman had them on her Citation, because Randy Hyman bought her car, and it came with Hooker Headers. Moreover, since now you're calling my combo pud, go for it! I hope you do buy it! You have 4-5 wks to build it and convert it to an '86 's specs, which means (if it's a Cavalier), you'll have to get a flat hood (not cowl inducted), and cast iron heads. I hope you do get it, because as I also said, I'm not the only one you'll have to race against, and good luck trying to qualify to race me.

Honestly , I can't remember what Drevo had..Hooker did make them early on.
I had to build my own out of Hooker S10 pieces, in 1984..Worth about 3-4 tenths.
The Cimarrons were owned and built by Mike Senia's Global Coach and Armor, including the headers.
They really aren't that hard on a J car.. the rear one goes right down thru the exhaust tunnel.. The front one goes under the pan or off to the side and out in front of the tire.

[Bob Don]

Mark - I don't know if you remember but I did an article on FWD stockers for Super Stock magazine back in '87. For whatever reason, the article never made it to print but I still have my original copy. The article featured Bill Drevo, Bill Shurla/Mark Yacavone, Tom Kasch, and Mike Senia.

From the article, Drevo's Citation had modified Hooker headers. It held the record in BF/S at 14.81 @ 93.94.

[Mike Jones]

I bought the Wine Wagon in Sept 2011. We changed the cylinder head that was cracked (bone stock head on pass side, NHRA Legal head on drivers side). washed it out with kerosene and went to Island Dragway in Nov. 2011.
It hadn`t been raced in a decade K/SA was still on the window, and with a W.A. Lee Q-jet went .15 under.
Replaced both heads and got ready for 2012
I bought the car to go to points meets and have fun.
The car needed a roll bar to stay above M/SA.
Alan Peters jr. said put a two barrel on it and run O,Por Q
Started in O (13.15)
added 90lbs and made it into P (13:45)
Car is very consistent 60 foot
but it doesn`t like the heat, slowed up 2 to3 at E-town this year
went.67 under at the Dutch.
Its showing its age now, I will just keep up with the repairs rather than
ruin the patina.
So, I was lucky to have the opportunity to get into Stock with a turn key deal. even if it is a 2GC station wagon
I agree with all who wrote; it is easy on parts, consistent and competitive and inexpensive to maintain.
The real cost is travel, lodging, entry fee and fuel.
Happy Hunting.
Mike A114 P/SA

[Larry Munk]

Speed kills