What about STOCK ?

JIM MARSHALL · 08-01-2007, 12:45 PM

No buttons, no three steps for burnouts, no two steps for staging , just learn how to drive. Make Stock what it is ,STOCK. Have a nice day, sorry ED didn"t think you would mind me using your catch phrase.

Jim Marshall

greg fulk · 08-01-2007, 01:36 PM

I agree 100% ...maybe we should put this thread down in the S/SS part of the forum.

stockracer · 08-01-2007, 01:37 PM

This topic is as dead as any...I agree they need a spec button in stock. But everything else that has been said is a bit out there. I say give the stick guys electro-magnet switches, no big deal. What changes then, how will the automatic have an advantage then? What will be the complaint? I would guess (only guess) that 80% of clutch guys do not loose because an auto guy has a button. Stick losses are usually spin, parts breakage, or just plain inconsistancy. And I would love for some of you to tell Fletch, Zane, Biondo, Stillings, Bertozzi, that they need to LEARN how to footbrake! They will still win the the ones bitching will still loose. And stock will never be STOCK...As long as theres $3000 Headers, $5000 Heads, and $100000 stockers...If your taking away two-steps lets do away with line locks, msd ignition, disc brakes (unless factory) fuel cells, and give everyone a SPEC slick. Then no one will have anything to complain about! Buttons are here and they are NOT the downfall of this sport! Go ahead...Bash me!

Neil Smedley · 08-01-2007, 02:19 PM

Stockracer..................Consider yourself Bashed.................

LouisJeffery · 08-01-2007, 02:36 PM

Stock is the victim of trickle down effect. The hitters have comp cars they run is Superstock and superstock cars they run in stock. Small tires and dualplane manifold is the only thing stock about them. Take away the buttons and twosteps and you take away one of the tools that is IMPOSSIBLE to regulate. Footbrake only!!!!!!!!!

stockracer · 08-01-2007, 02:52 PM

I can be nameless because I talk crap about no one unless I use my real name...But thats no what this topic is about. I guess stock is easy to win in, thats why everybody has the wallys at home, and everybody chooses to race stock...ITS EASY...bull ****, probably one of the hardest classes out there. Buttons are easier to change I will agree, BUT its the same as anything else, you have to be good to make it work. I know a lot of guys that have tried a button and find it too hard to do so they go back to footbraking. Whats there excuse? I only brought up the point of msd and linelocks because everyone wants stock to be stock (or thier version of) If were goin to pick and choose no one will be happy. I DO think you will see a change, though, if you take buttons away in stock...but only for bout half a year, then the same people will still win! What about blocking, or people with 20/20 vision, or people who are just plain good? Lets get rid of all them too! Racing is not what it used to be and as soon as all the old guys realize its not always about goin fast and bustin nuckles, it will be a lot more enjoyable! Keep em commin!

08-01-2007, 02:25 PM

Jim,
I couldn't agree more with you !!!!

Stockracer,
I think you are talking apples and nuts here...A wheely bar,MSD, Valvespring, doesn't give you an advantage on the tree ?? I don't think people are complaining about parts as much as they are the lights that are being cut...Yah, I know practice, practice, practice, and I also agree on the good drivers will still win most races..But, if the buttons don't give you an advantage, why do alot of people use them...For the same reason all the better drivers have moved to a faster car and the reason there is they wanted to spend more $$$$$ right...IT's an advantage,you get to see the first red and you are mostly chasing..They can afford to do it and good luck to them..I still say no-to- electronics(buttons-etc in stock) and I think if NHRA takes a VOTE of racers they will find out how many people dislike electronics !!!! Time will tell and it makes more work for them.............Just my two cents................. Dave...1033/stock(RV-455)

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 08-01-2007, 02:42 PM

Jim,
You're dead-on with a zero.

Stock "wannabe"racer,
You're nuts. Take those buttons out and those guys will win half as much. Ask these guys why they shy away from the $20,000 at Piedmont and the $50,000 at Bristol. FOOTBRAKE ONLY, Thats why. Yes they could do it but not as good without a button.

Dave, I need some RV-455.

Chip Johnson

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 08-01-2007, 02:44 PM

Did'nt mean to step on Zanes toes. He always comes to the 20K at Piedmont. In fact he was R/U a couple years ago.
Chip

Oldtimer · 08-01-2007, 02:53 PM

Amen....what he said......get rid of the bottons !
Bob Pagano

08-01-2007, 12:45 PM	#1
JIM MARSHALL Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Indian Land SC Posts: 122 Likes: 254 Liked 337 Times in 46 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? No buttons, no three steps for burnouts, no two steps for staging , just learn how to drive. Make Stock what it is ,STOCK. Have a nice day, sorry ED didn"t think you would mind me using your catch phrase. Jim Marshall __________________ Jim Marshall 1967 STK

08-01-2007, 01:36 PM	#2
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? I agree 100% ...maybe we should put this thread down in the S/SS part of the forum. __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"

08-01-2007, 01:37 PM	#3
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? This topic is as dead as any...I agree they need a spec button in stock. But everything else that has been said is a bit out there. I say give the stick guys electro-magnet switches, no big deal. What changes then, how will the automatic have an advantage then? What will be the complaint? I would guess (only guess) that 80% of clutch guys do not loose because an auto guy has a button. Stick losses are usually spin, parts breakage, or just plain inconsistancy. And I would love for some of you to tell Fletch, Zane, Biondo, Stillings, Bertozzi, that they need to LEARN how to footbrake! They will still win the the ones bitching will still loose. And stock will never be STOCK...As long as theres $3000 Headers, $5000 Heads, and $100000 stockers...If your taking away two-steps lets do away with line locks, msd ignition, disc brakes (unless factory) fuel cells, and give everyone a SPEC slick. Then no one will have anything to complain about! Buttons are here and they are NOT the downfall of this sport! Go ahead...Bash me!

08-01-2007, 02:19 PM	#4
Neil Smedley Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 163 Likes: 32 Liked 22 Times in 7 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Stockracer..................Consider yourself Bashed.................

08-01-2007, 02:36 PM	#5
LouisJeffery Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Stock is the victim of trickle down effect. The hitters have comp cars they run is Superstock and superstock cars they run in stock. Small tires and dualplane manifold is the only thing stock about them. Take away the buttons and twosteps and you take away one of the tools that is IMPOSSIBLE to regulate. Footbrake only!!!!!!!!!

08-01-2007, 02:52 PM	#6
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? I can be nameless because I talk crap about no one unless I use my real name...But thats no what this topic is about. I guess stock is easy to win in, thats why everybody has the wallys at home, and everybody chooses to race stock...ITS EASY...bull ****, probably one of the hardest classes out there. Buttons are easier to change I will agree, BUT its the same as anything else, you have to be good to make it work. I know a lot of guys that have tried a button and find it too hard to do so they go back to footbraking. Whats there excuse? I only brought up the point of msd and linelocks because everyone wants stock to be stock (or thier version of) If were goin to pick and choose no one will be happy. I DO think you will see a change, though, if you take buttons away in stock...but only for bout half a year, then the same people will still win! What about blocking, or people with 20/20 vision, or people who are just plain good? Lets get rid of all them too! Racing is not what it used to be and as soon as all the old guys realize its not always about goin fast and bustin nuckles, it will be a lot more enjoyable! Keep em commin!

08-01-2007, 02:25 PM	#7
RIBEIRO RACING Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about STOCK ? Jim, I couldn't agree more with you !!!! Stockracer, I think you are talking apples and nuts here...A wheely bar,MSD, Valvespring, doesn't give you an advantage on the tree ?? I don't think people are complaining about parts as much as they are the lights that are being cut...Yah, I know practice, practice, practice, and I also agree on the good drivers will still win most races..But, if the buttons don't give you an advantage, why do alot of people use them...For the same reason all the better drivers have moved to a faster car and the reason there is they wanted to spend more $$$$$ right...IT's an advantage,you get to see the first red and you are mostly chasing..They can afford to do it and good luck to them..I still say no-to- electronics(buttons-etc in stock) and I think if NHRA takes a VOTE of racers they will find out how many people dislike electronics !!!! Time will tell and it makes more work for them.............Just my two cents................. Dave...1033/stock(RV-455)

08-01-2007, 02:42 PM	#8
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 281 Times in 79 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Jim, You're dead-on with a zero. Stock "wannabe"racer, You're nuts. Take those buttons out and those guys will win half as much. Ask these guys why they shy away from the $20,000 at Piedmont and the $50,000 at Bristol. FOOTBRAKE ONLY, Thats why. Yes they could do it but not as good without a button. Dave, I need some RV-455. Chip Johnson

08-01-2007, 02:44 PM	#9
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 281 Times in 79 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Did'nt mean to step on Zanes toes. He always comes to the 20K at Piedmont. In fact he was R/U a couple years ago. Chip

08-01-2007, 02:53 PM	#10
Oldtimer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 87 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What about STOCK ? Amen....what he said......get rid of the bottons ! Bob Pagano __________________ Bob Pagano L88BOB@aol.com www.dyainc.org 4033 AA/SA

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