Hemi Head Ruling

[jmcarter]

Originally Posted by art leong

Their "news" coverage is exceptional.
So "fair and balanced" LOL

Networks carry news? Who da thunk it?

News pickings are pretty slim to be sure...Don't think they are the least bit interested in our demographic Art.

[David Barton]

I don't know why everyone keeps saying the original rule was to not cut into the top of the valve cover bolt hole. If it said anything about the valve cover bolt hole it would have meant cutting into ANY portion of the hole.

Where did it ever say you can cut into the hole but not on the top?

Anyway, besides all of that, Charlie, I have 2 simple questions for you.

#1 - At Indy 2012, did you go to teardown with your valve cover flange busted off?

#2 - At Indy 2012, did you have external modifications to the front of your heads like Comella had at the Dutch Classic?

According to the picture posted on Moparts, your valve cover flange has been machine so much that the flange is falling off. What good is the top of the hole if the flange is gone? And the one crappy repair you can see that the flange was poorly welded on and is clearly not welded back in place where it should be.

Wendell Howes stated that everyones valve covers should bolt onto each others heads. We clearly showed him as well as NHRA that you can still bolt on a factory valve cover to our heads with all 10 bolts. I can't say the same for yours being you have to bolt your valve covers to the intake! Can you say bogus?

I wouldn't have the balls to show up at an NHRA event with parts like this. I have too much respect for guys like Dave Ley and Ryck Cambell. I couldn't look them in the eye with a straight face and say my parts are legal. I don't know how you sleep at night.

[Spyphish]

Originally Posted by David Barton

I don't know why everyone keeps saying the original rule was to not cut into the top of the valve cover bolt hole. If it said anything about the valve cover bolt hole it would have meant cutting into ANY portion of the hole.

Where did it ever say you can cut into the hole but not on the top?

Anyway, besides all of that, Charlie, I have 2 simple questions for you.

#1 - At Indy 2012, did you go to teardown with your valve cover flange busted off?

#2 - At Indy 2012, did you have external modifications to the front of your heads like Comella had at the Dutch Classic?

According to the picture posted on Moparts, your valve cover flange has been machine so much that the flange is falling off. What good is the top of the hole if the flange is gone? And the one crappy repair you can see that the flange was poorly welded on and is clearly not welded back in place where it should be.

Wendell Howes stated that everyones valve covers should bolt onto each others heads. We clearly showed him as well as NHRA that you can still bolt on a factory valve cover to our heads with all 10 bolts. I can't say the same for yours being you have to bolt your valve covers to the intake! Can you say bogus?

I wouldn't have the balls to show up at an NHRA event with parts like this. I have too much respect for guys like Dave Ley and Ryck Cambell. I couldn't look them in the eye with a straight face and say my parts are legal. I don't know how you sleep at night.

Two scoop, you missed your calling, Cabinet member of current Presidential administration. Head of Transportation or some other BS. Barton-ism to the 27th power. How did you sleep on the night of Sept. 4, 2009. Dave Rayborn from Ca. ELIMINATED, Randall Warford ELIMINATED, John Rains Ca. ELIMINATED, but since scoop width not in rules as per you??? (See X-techman post). You had to change hoods after those boys lost. I went back and checked NTM database(you don't have that), not only were you narrow, you were too tall all the way back to clear the back carb. You knew it, that's why you were the only guy there with TWO hoods. Then you had to change it and guess what, Sr. hands your stuff back "in a sock" with someones borrowed backup motor. BOG, HELLO! No back carb clearance. This is a generation deal. PLEASE read the Mr. Dwight Southerland's post on page 10. Memorize it. He doesn't know it yet but he is running for President and I am his manager. I will test you on it when you come to collect at BRose.

[David Barton]

Originally Posted by Spyphish

Two scoop, you missed your calling, Cabinet member of current Presidential administration. Head of Transportation or some other BS. Barton-ism to the 27th power. How did you sleep on the night of Sept. 4, 2009. Dave Rayborn from Ca. ELIMINATED, Randall Warford ELIMINATED, John Rains Ca. ELIMINATED, but since scoop width not in rules as per you??? (See X-techman post). You had to change hoods after those boys lost. I went back and checked NTM database(you don't have that), not only were you narrow, you were too tall all the way back to clear the back carb. You knew it, that's why you were the only guy there with TWO hoods. Then you had to change it and guess what, Sr. hands your stuff back "in a sock" with someones borrowed backup motor. BOG, HELLO! No back carb clearance. This is a generation deal. PLEASE read the Mr. Dwight Southerland's post on page 10. Memorize it. He doesn't know it yet but he is running for President and I am his manager. I will test you on it when you come to collect at BRose.

I didn't have to change the hood, I decided to. And I'm aware of the rule X Techman speaks of. The problem is, I can't get a straight answer as to how an original hood should look, in NHRA's eyes. What is so hard about giving a measurement and a tolerance? NHRA already has every measurement possible.

Stephen, check your NTM database and tell us whether or not CW had valve cover bolt holes missing along with the external mods to the cylinder heads. Can you measure his cam height too, from space, while you're at it?

BTW, I'm not a big fan of the new rule change, but we are trying to run a business and we have lots of cars to prep for 2013. We finally have some rules written in stone so its time to make some chips. I'm sure CW is doing the same thing.

[wendell howes]

I guess new heads for all.Who makes all the cash off this change.Good for some people

[David Barton]

Originally Posted by wendell howes

I guess new heads for all.Who makes all the cash off this change.Good for some people

Says the guy that spends his winters in Florida.

[Crew Chief]

Although they would never admit it, there are probably many Hemi racers who wished they had never built SS/AH cars. With the way the class has "progressed", the majority of SS/AH cars are destined to never be competitive no matter how much money keeps being thrown at them. In the future look for those cars to become SS/GT pieces with a variety of Mopar engines installed...not that there would be anything wrong with that.

Hint...The newer Drag-pac hemi's put out lots of power and are still underfactored for SS/GT.

[wendell howes]

I do not think they fit in gt without changing the front end and the glass.Then any ss or gt class depending on the motor.I am in Canada this winter lots of snow.Saving my money fot my new heads.. Wendell

[SSDA Hemi]

Crew Chief: This has been done already with a few AH cars and they were never campaigned a whole lot after the conversion. I feel this is because the majority of the people that enter SS/AH are doing it for the heads up eliminator style racing. SS/AH is an Elite class. Look at the number of AH cars that race in the eliminator at Indy. The majority pack up on Friday night after class.

SS/AH IS a very competitive combination.You may not qualify 1.00 under based on a beat up index, but in the eliminator its a whole different ball game. Little Joe runner upped at last years 'Gators and continually does well with his AH team. He races in the eliminator and a little differently than the rest of the Hemi cars, but this is somewhat the same way I plan on campaigning my AH car.

Wendell: That was my point in the Thanksgiving Hemi Head Thread. If we could have legalized everyones heads and had a valve cover template, problem $olved. I had hoped to nip it in the bud before it came to this. Too late now

I also found it very ironic that David would be bad mouthing this rule. They should have been laughing all the way to the bank. The only thing this tells me is the Bartons have a real Love for Super Stock and put the integrity of the class before the wallet!

If the rule Jeff talks about comes to fruition in a few weeks, hopefully it will help the class and not hurt it anymore. Nothing like the off season to get your stuff ready.
The Hemi Head rule is not changing, the chips are flying and the season is underway. Time to stop bs'ing and get to work...

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi

The majority pack up on Friday night after class.

The majority were done after the first two rounds of class. How many more years will the "love" of heads up racing keep the numbers up in SS/AH? One time a year racing is no excuse to throw away money unless you have really deep pockets.