Hemi Head Ruling

[Spyphish]

[QUOTE=David Barton;371565]Glad to see we can still be friends. Does this mean I qualify for the $10k? I'm trying to figure out which car to bring. Those 10 rockets make it tempting to bring the AH car.

BRING IT!

Two Scoop, you will NOT pass the KKFC teardown with the head shown +/- 17 seconds in the video. Just stop the movie and enlarge the frame. Where are these 10 VC bolt holes you brag about 15 pages and 30,000 views ago? In the trailer or the trash. If that's a NHRA SS/AH head, you are CHEATING BIG TIME. My goodness, how can you sleep at night, bogus, crooked NHRA etc etc. These are all your words, not mine. Of course, since we see it on the internet, it must be true and "I am a French Model" BONJOUR!!!

[Jeff Teuton]

Stephen, would you like the body templets for your shoot out.

[426Fred]

I for one love this stuff. It just goes to show how passionate these guys are to be the best that they can be. If you are not looking for an advantage to get ahead of your competition, you might as well stay home. It reminds me of the early 70's ProStock racing. Dollar for dollar, if I had a choice to watch the current ProStock racing or the HEMI shoot out at Indy, handsdown I would watch the shoot out every time. How many stock and super stock racers do you see going to the lanes to see ProStock racing versus the HEMI's running? Run what you brung, lets see a 7 this year

[Spyphish]

Originally Posted by 426Fred

I for one love this stuff. It just goes to show how passionate these guys are to be the best that they can be. If you are not looking for an advantage to get ahead of your competition, you might as well stay home. It reminds me of the early 70's ProStock racing. Dollar for dollar, if I had a choice to watch the current ProStock racing or the HEMI shoot out at Indy, handsdown I would watch the shoot out every time. How many stock and super stock racers do you see going to the lanes to see ProStock racing versus the HEMI's running? Run what you brung, lets see a 7 this year

Sir you are right on! Look at the number of views on this thread. Must be my story tellin'. I never ever had a race car and drove around for a year watching these guys. "I want one of those since I'm not the brightest bulb". Since then in elims I am: 0 for 2 with Daniels; 0 for 1 with Two Scoop; 0 for 2 with Sr.; and 0 for 1 with Jr. And I get DQ'ed for rule infractions most of the time. That's a lot of 0's. Maybe soon a pig will fly. Thanks for your support. Stephen

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by 426Fred

I for one love this stuff. It just goes to show how passionate these guys are to be the best that they can be. If you are not looking for an advantage to get ahead of your competition, you might as well stay home. It reminds me of the early 70's ProStock racing. Dollar for dollar, if I had a choice to watch the current ProStock racing or the HEMI shoot out at Indy, handsdown I would watch the shoot out every time. How many stock andsuper stock racers do you see going to the lanes to see ProStock racing versus the HEMI's running? Run what you brung, lets see a 7 this year

I'm with you, Fred. Someone else mentioned the early 70s Pro Stock controversy over cylinder heads, and I loved that part too. It's too bad that the associations and people in charge think it is the right thing to do to make it so there is no controversy. It's called "leveling the playing - field". It's like what has happened in our country - "all men are created equal" has been transformed into "everybody should pay their fair share". NASCAR is a good example. What used to be a rich arena of manufacturers' competition has been so homogenized so that the excitement fans look for is fights between drivers and crashes. It's the controversies that mix the people and the machines that make racing exciting for the fans. The Gasser Wars, factory Super Stocks, Pro Stocks, the early Funny Cars - those were exciting. Of course, we have such an entitlement mentality that prevades our society now that lawsuits become the threat to make things fair, not the battle in the arena.

I applaude you AH guys. I just hope that for once in the history of this great sport that leadership, honor, wisdom and character leads this era and restores some of that part of the glory that created it. For all involved, please don't turn it into a cat fight; the honor is in the battle, not just in who wins.

MHO, and worth about a nickel.

Dwight Southerland

[jaythorne]

There is a place for run whatcha brung it's called pro stock....if that's what ya want go there...I'm sure it wouldn't cost much more

[Stewart Way]

David
Your comment about no rule stating how narrow the scoop can be may be true but there is a rule that keeps you from narrowing the scoop. Under your train of thought there also is no rule in the rulebook saying how wide a Dart is or how tall the windshield is but I think we all know they have to be stock. It has been in the rule book since the early 70's at least. Under SuperStock/body section in the rulebook it says "Alterations or customizing prohibited,". Since the hood is part of the body, and the scoop is part of the hood it cant be altered. No saying this rule has not been abused by many in the past and today, just pointing out the rule as written. The rule used to not allow altering the body for class advantage but that was really a hard one to prove so it was changed to prohibited.
I remember a Div ll car with the Shaker scoop in SS/DA or EA making the shaker so it came up when the hood was raised. It was no allowed. It was bodyworked to the hood and may have been a touch talled when finished. Looked pretty cool.
No dog in the fight, just an old X NHRA tech guy who still reads the rulebook.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Stewart Way

David
Your comment about no rule stating how narrow the scoop can be may be true but there is a rule that keeps you from narrowing the scoop. Under your train of thought there also is no rule in the rulebook saying how wide a Dart is or how tall the windshield is but I think we all know they have to be stock. It has been in the rule book since the early 70's at least. Under SuperStock/body section in the rulebook it says "Alterations or customizing prohibited,". Since the hood is part of the body, and the scoop is part of the hood it cant be altered. No saying this rule has not been abused by many in the past and today, just pointing out the rule as written. The rule used to not allow altering the body for class advantage but that was really a hard one to prove so it was changed to prohibited.
I remember a Div ll car with the Shaker scoop in SS/DA or EA making the shaker so it came up when the hood was raised. It was no allowed. It was bodyworked to the hood and may have been a touch talled when finished. Looked pretty cool.
No dog in the fight, just an old X NHRA tech guy who still reads the rulebook.

Stewart I got a letter of repremand for having louvers in my front fenders. The had inner fenderwells so there was no advantage. But they made me change them.
The only fiberglass fenders made for a neon had the louvers. So I had to get metal ones. That were 3 pounds (each) lighter than the fiberglass ones.

[cutta]

Originally Posted by 426Fred

I for one love this stuff. It just goes to show how passionate these guys are to be the best that they can be. If you are not looking for an advantage to get ahead of your competition, you might as well stay home. It reminds me of the early 70's ProStock racing. Dollar for dollar, if I had a choice to watch the current ProStock racing or the HEMI shoot out at Indy, handsdown I would watch the shoot out every time. How many stock and super stock racers do you see going to the lanes to see ProStock racing versus the HEMI's running? Run what you brung, lets see a 7 this year

Even though I love both classes tremendously, I disagree for one reason and one reason only. In the hemi shootout, you can count on one finger who is likely going to be in the finals if both cars get traction. When there is 5-6 tenths between #1 and #16, its a bad situation. I really wish it was more competitive than it currently is. I love this class but its definitely sad when you can pick the winner every race with pretty good certainty, well most times. The early rounds with cars that are near each other in ET makes for good racing but as soon as they meet the titans, gameover if both get traction. Thats the only downside from a fan perspective.

[Stewart Way]

Art
The old Ebody we sold to Bagwell went thru many front fenders. As a 70 it had no louvers but as a 71 it had to have them so we cut holes in and stuck the louvers in. No good once it was realized they were not recessed like factory so new 71 fenders went on. The following is from a magazine article. Mopar Action 12/12. Won't write the hole thing but Earwood says after bombing the SS/EA record they moved the car to a 70 for SS/DA. With the expensive paint job Bagwell had they didn't want to change fenders so Terry had large "1973 National Super Stock Champion" decals made and put over the holes. World Finals Earwood was protested and Marty Barrett asked terry if he pushed a pencil on the decals would it go thru. Terry said yes and Marty asked " you know whose mistake this was?" to which Terry responded "mine". Marty said "It's my mistake-not yours-because I didn't catch it." Marty let him finish the race. Always liked Marty.
Sorry kind of off topic but just shows how tight tech was.