Both or neither this week in Phoenix!!!

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Right, and nobody would pay for the first race then take the wrist band off and pose as a spectator for the second race. And I'm sure all racers will switch wrist bands for the second race. Heck, some racers don't like wearing wrist bands and cut them off.

And I don't know anybody who enjoys a rent-a-cop asking to see your ticket/wrist band.

Toby they would have different colors for 1 event or 2 event. Have you gone through the gate after the first day lately? You have to show your wristband.
Do you think everyone sleeps at the track? Some of us enjoy the comfort and unlimited water available in a hotel.
Maybe it's west coast thing.

[Toby Lang]

Originally Posted by art leong

Do you think everyone sleeps at the track?

Well, judging by the amount of motorhomes, I would say more than half stay at the track ... a LOT more than half. Also, quite a few people who don't have motorhomes stay at the track. And if a person can afford a hotel, I don't think they're too worried about paying admission for the second race.

[Sean Marconette]

Hell worst case sleep in your tow vehicle. Problem solved with the cost of a hotel. I wish we had back to back races in our area. Life is what you make of it. If you know there is a race you want to attend plan your schedule and budget for it. But maybe thats just common sense.

Sean

[GarysZ24]

Here's some other info I didn't yet share about my thoughts on this:

1. For those of you who understood why I put up this post, thank you. To those who were critical of me, so be it (I'll sleep just fine tonight)!

2. I now realized that my beef wasn't against either NHRA (for a nice change), or Mike Rice, as this was Charlie Allen's decision...afterall, it was his office staff who told me Tuesday that I could neither pay for only the first race, or the second race...I had to pay for both (hence the title of my thread). However, the very next day when I took the photos of the announcement "MUST PURCHASE FULL EVENT", with the announcement of the 2-race entry fee on another placard next to it...Note: I forwarded photos of those two notices to Jody & Toby Lang, Michael Beard, and Larry Dowty, with the hopes that one of them would share them here (if it hasn't been done already).

Since I feel this was a parting effort to shore up as much money as he can in his waning days as track manager, I wouldn't put it past Mr. Allen for doing this. What sucks is the following Wednesday (from when his office staff told me of the both or neither entry), they would say that you can come out Friday and tech for the 2nd race....why didn't they say that in the beginning??? When you work for a company and you make vacation plans, other people need to cover for you while you're gone....if you cancel your vacation plans, you don't just reverse your cancellation (that's un-ethical, and it wouldn't leave a good vibe with your boss or co-workers), and that was my dilema. Knowing that this was probably the case with regards to Mr. Charlie, I am thus glad that his days of managing Firebird Intl. Raceway, are nearing an end, and although I will likely be out there Sunday to enjoy watching those of you there in competition, I'll keep my car away until the new management arrives!

Mark, I'll look forward to any info I can find on your upcoming combo race, because I'll do everything I can to participate in it (work wage cutbacks aside), because I want to help insure that this track stays put for us to enjoy, but I hope the entry fee isn't very close to our dear divisional fees???

Am I crying now James, or Jack? I'll tell you guys something...I can remember when Stockers weren't using wheelie bars, Cal-trac's, 2-steps, or in-line shifters (et. al.), and I'm sure some racers stated their cases to allow those additions to come about (over and beyond making Indy the lowest qualified 128 racers, and no longer class winners and then the remaining spots filled with the lowest qualifiers afterwards). Those who complained about those things needing to be changed, did you call them criers too...or were you guys who jabbed at me amongst those who stated those valid cases?

I wonder???

[Tom Moock]

Gary, the first two day race turned in to a 3 day race, They not going to finish tonight. Tom

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Tom Moock

Gary, the first two day race turned in to a 3 day race, They not going to finish tonight. Tom

Good point.Maybe a 4 day race for the first race? What is taking so long?

[Toby Lang]

I was just looking at last year's race and we ran the stock final at 7:12 PM

[Dan Fletcher]

That's correct, unable to finish tonight. Stopped NHRA event around 8:45 to make way for motorcycle race track rental. I'm in motorhome listening to them run now, announcer still calling the action over PA and radio. Probably still 60 degrees out with low humidity.

Bike just ran 8.19. Clearly, Stock and SS couldn't run under such conditions...

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Tom Moock

Gary, the first two day race turned in to a 3 day race, They not going to finish tonight. Tom

Thanks Tom, but now that I've seen what the air was like for the first session on Thursday of the first race, I'm going to be more bummed. My car has never ran in such great air as that session had, and per Bandimere data I compared from July of '06 and October '06 racing events, it could've been worth a .3-.5 second performance improvement over my normal runs there (15.40's)....thus my best run of 15.24 and speed of 88mph would've both been in serious jeopardy....thanks to Charlie I will have to wait another year for hopefully another chance to make as pass in air conditions like that...fortunately he'll be up there in Washington....I hope he's better for you guys in D6 than he was for us this year here???

[Neil Smedley]

Gary......sat 8 am....corrected altitude minus 150 ft.....should have been first time run for stockers.... instead it was business as usual for Firebird