AA/S AAA/S and Class consolidation

[RJ Sledge]

Bernie

You are correct my friend about the Indy Qualifying, but I was referring to the Divisional races where they can let it all hang out without fear of going too fast. That is they can go up to 1.40 under and not worry, but its just my observation.

I will also agree that there are both carb and FI combo's that need to be dealt with. Sometimes we all look at things from different sides of the fence, I just would like some sort of legitimacy when it comes to combo's that have not been reined in.

RJ

[bill dedman]

Bruce said,

"Reply to your post?" Yes; I appreciate the time you took to reply to my post.

Then, Bruce said, "Ivory Tower"? My reference to an "Ivory Tower" was a mildly sarcastic comment on the "powers that be" in Glendora, who don't seem to understand or care much about the finer points of what a mess they have on their hands in regard to the AFHS. It, no way, was aimed at you, Bruce,or any other racer. I'm not sure you took it that way, but that's what it was; a reference to the Druids...

Then, Bruce said, "I have told you exactly what I think about the AHFS."
That you did, but my request was not related to your opinion of the AHFS, but rather, an ancillary problem with the way horsepower factors are applied to select cars instead of ALL cars with that engine. I was in hopes that maybe you could include your thoughts about that situation along with the changes you were suggesting (which BTW, I completely agree with.) For all I know, you may think it's perfectly okay to keep that system; I was asking if it was something you could try to get changed (if that is your desire), since I didn't think the drivers were polled about going to that system before they made that change.
You never addressed that issue in your response. I'm not sure what that means, RE: YOUR feelings about that issue.

Then, Bruce said, "And yes it would help if you were a racer because you would then have a serious investment in the proper administration of the AHFS."

I can't blame you for feeling that way, but unless I am mistaken, there is a Class Racer BB for "racers only," and participation on that board is limited to people who, like you, currently have a permanent number and campaign a Class car. This board, by default, would seem to be for the rest of us, who are serious about seeing things done "correctly," and who care deeply about the health of the sport. We have opinions that,ofttimes come from many years of careful scrutiny of the rules and practices of NHRA Class racing, and you know what they say about opinions... well, that was mine. In short, I make no apologies for posting my opinion here, but realize that that's all it is..... just MY opinion. Yours may vary.

Then, Bruce said," Many racers have been had by the latest round of AHFS hits, and they ain't happy about it either."

I don't know what that was in reference to, but I am 100% in agreement with that statement. You said it in a manner that made it seem that I was somehow contentious about it, but that is ~so~ not true. I heartily support what you are trying to do, and agree that something needs to be done. I am in no way disagreeing with you on any of your AHFS stance. In fact, I applaud it!

Finally, Bruce said, "So maybe you should go sit on the Ivory Tower. Or, regardless of your disclaimers, get a Class car."

I have NO IDEA where that came from. I didn't disagree with anything you said, and don't understand your attitude in writing something like that. I surely didn't mean to offend you in any way; I was just asking if you'd be interested in addressing the problem (as I see it, it's a problem) of the way they assign factored horsepower to select cars, when someone "earns" an increase. That was ALL I was asking.

Insofar as getting a Class car, I wish with all my heart that I could afford to go Class racing, but it's not in the cards for me,. The fact that I can't afford to build a legitimate Class car doesn't mean, however, that I cease to care about what goes on. I have some close friends who DO have Class cars and I see what they are up against with this ridiculous AHFS, and am eager to do what I can to help change it. I guess whether my opinion is a valid one or not, depends on how much of it somebody agrees with. Having been a tech at local strips (as an NHRA Area Tech Advisor 1960-1964 in Div. IV), racing a Class car for several years, and helping friends with their Class cars over the years, and attending NHRA drag races "religiously" since 1955 (no typo) gives me a perspective that a lot of folks may not have. Maybe my opinion MIGHT be worth something, even though I don't currently race anything but a Bracket car.

At any rate, it's all still just my opinion.... nothing more.

Thanks for listening.

Bill

[Dick Butler]

Bill, Very fairly stated.

[Bruce Noland]

Wow,

Nice response Bill. I feel better now. Thanks.

I have posted many, many times that I'm perfectly content with the original AHFS. The current AHFS is the problem and as far as I'm concerned it must be revoked. I'm not talking about tweaking a damn thing here. I'm talking about revoking the bogus version and going back to the system that we all voted on. Too many racers have been hurt by the latest round of hits to do anything else!

I brought up my feelings about the AHFS in response to Evan's post and feel the subject deserves a thread of its own. Time permitting I will try to post the two different versions of the AHFS on this forum.

[bill dedman]

Thanks, Bruce; that would be great!!! Needs to be done, I am sure.

Bill

[Jim Cimarolli]

Guys,

I don't think there is ever going to be an "automatic system" that is going to work fairly.
I feel that there should be a committee of people that vote on changes.
They can use the numbers compiled by the computer, but the final decisions need to be looked at and decided upon by humans.
For example: You have any given class in review. One very popular combo has triggered the review and is up for a hp correction. BUT! There is an obscure combo that runs the same class that is 2 tenths quicker than any car in the country that runs the combo that is up for review. THAT is the situation that needs human input, not a computer.
Combo's that need horsepower don't get it because some racers have the luxury of being able to manipulate the system, while others get a little bit of help from their friends and wind up with hp that should not have been added.

[LNorton]

You also have to remember that this is a shoe polish race in the long run...

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by LNorton

You also have to remember that this is a shoe polish race in the long run...

and thats the damn shame. Do aweay with the shoe polish and the AHFS will work itself out real fast, lol.