What to expect

bsa633 · 09-20-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JDEMARZO

Len, thanks for the insights, will the lowering of the index by 2 tenths (11.55 goes to 11.35) have an effect on the AHPS or will it stay as is with -1.15 being a trigger for review and -1.4 being an automatic? Thanks for your time.

Joe DeMarzo
#1317-B/SA

If so...and if Jeff Teuton's statistic is right that would mean the FI cars would keep that advatage for a long time,and cars like some "papercars" or others that has been good at this AHFS-game would be able to dominate for a long time...

Dick Butler · 09-20-2007, 12:27 PM

Len, Could you speak about changes in SS? Will there be GT classes up to match the SS 6.0 and down? These would help with use of the new cars as GT cars. Any combinations of classes or wts? Thanks Dick Butler.

Jared Jordan · 09-20-2007, 12:48 PM

Dropping the indexes would hopefully eliminate some of the sandbagging that happens at national and some divisional events. The AHFS will even out discrepancies over time (even though the system is "broken"). I wholeheartedly approve of this decision!

Would love to see 2-steps gone in Stock, but I think the 4-speed cars should still be allowed to run them.

Love the 7.5 lb/hp class addition. A 3800 lb. Hemi Challenger isn't fun for anyone! Is this class going to be called AA/SA??

No E-Shift for any cars in Stock! Make the drivers do their jobs! If you want the car to shift for you go race SS.

LNorton · 09-20-2007, 12:51 PM

Well... with a 2 tenth index drop you can count us out for trying to step up out of pure stock for a while...

Bob Mulry · 09-20-2007, 01:51 PM

Len,

Are you saying that a simple majority will eliminate a rule that has been in place for over a decade???

It appears that your sample contains 256 responses. As per Nitro Joes Stats there where 1262 entries in Stock Eliminator in 2007.

Only 20.2% of the Stock Racers responded (IF you use Stock Competition Number information it would be much lower, but I will give NHRA the befit of the doubt) that is 256 out of 1262.

Only 141 racers requested the banning of 2 steps in Stock or 11.2% of Stock racers.

You can get what end result you desire by choosing the sampling group.

The casual poll being done on line with racers that have competed in the last 2 years doesn't agree with your numbers.

I don't know which is correct?

If you want your racer input to mean anything, then the voting should and must be accurate (see voting in Florida).

Will all rule changes be decided by a simple majority??

NHRA should enclose a stamped self-addressed envelope with National Dragster along with a ballot that includes the NHRA Competition Number on the ballot. You could request input on any number of issues and NHRA could have the results verified by an independent source, thereby taking away the appearance of a conflict in interest.

The racers could vote on items that affected the racers directly and they could depend on the results as being fair and accurate.

This is a win win situation for NHRA, because it increases the credibility of the NHRA no matter what the results are.

An emailed in racer input does not reflect the total body of Stock Eliminator racers and to use this, as the criteria for changing rules would be grossly unfair.

For the process to work it must be totally transparent and open to verification.

Bob

Oldtimer · 09-20-2007, 02:02 PM

Wow, I agree with someone out West, way to call it Jared and a young guy too. Julie you raised him Right !

Tim Kish · 09-20-2007, 02:37 PM

With a 2-tenths index drop and the existing rules for class singles (0.5 under minimum) - look for more non-class winners in single classes.

Any thoughts on refiguring event entry quotas for events running class eliminations for Stock or Super Stock - events like Norwalk in Div 3 where the quota was 80 entries only allow 10% of the cars in the country to compete. This is a part of the reason there are so many singles in the first place.

Jack Matyas · 09-20-2007, 02:38 PM

Len --Thanks a million for your post !!!!! Getting rules changes for 2008 in September has to be a first . Having access to this news early will help every racer -- even the ones who don't agree with the new changes.

Tommy Gaynor · 09-20-2007, 02:48 PM

Thanks, Len you are the voice of NHRA to us. Thank you! Tommy Gaynor

Mickey Whaley · 09-20-2007, 03:13 PM

I'm not so smart so enlighten me, if i run B/SA or C/SA or D/SA which current FI cars would fit into each 1 of those classes? And will they weigh the same as they do now in those FI classes?

09-20-2007, 12:27 PM	#2
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: What to expect Len, Could you speak about changes in SS? Will there be GT classes up to match the SS 6.0 and down? These would help with use of the new cars as GT cars. Any combinations of classes or wts? Thanks Dick Butler.

09-20-2007, 12:48 PM	#3
Jared Jordan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 612 Likes: 196 Liked 532 Times in 118 Posts	Re: What to expect Dropping the indexes would hopefully eliminate some of the sandbagging that happens at national and some divisional events. The AHFS will even out discrepancies over time (even though the system is "broken"). I wholeheartedly approve of this decision! Would love to see 2-steps gone in Stock, but I think the 4-speed cars should still be allowed to run them. Love the 7.5 lb/hp class addition. A 3800 lb. Hemi Challenger isn't fun for anyone! Is this class going to be called AA/SA?? No E-Shift for any cars in Stock! Make the drivers do their jobs! If you want the car to shift for you go race SS. __________________ Jared Jordan 9 B/SA 2024 Jeg's D7 All Star - Stock

09-20-2007, 12:51 PM	#4
LNorton Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: RacerTees.com Posts: 505 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What to expect Well... with a 2 tenth index drop you can count us out for trying to step up out of pure stock for a while... __________________ Lee Norton - N229 STK IHRA H/FIA - NHRA O/SA RacerTees.com

09-20-2007, 01:51 PM	#5
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: What to expect Len, Are you saying that a simple majority will eliminate a rule that has been in place for over a decade??? It appears that your sample contains 256 responses. As per Nitro Joes Stats there where 1262 entries in Stock Eliminator in 2007. Only 20.2% of the Stock Racers responded (IF you use Stock Competition Number information it would be much lower, but I will give NHRA the befit of the doubt) that is 256 out of 1262. Only 141 racers requested the banning of 2 steps in Stock or 11.2% of Stock racers. You can get what end result you desire by choosing the sampling group. The casual poll being done on line with racers that have competed in the last 2 years doesn't agree with your numbers. I don't know which is correct? If you want your racer input to mean anything, then the voting should and must be accurate (see voting in Florida). Will all rule changes be decided by a simple majority?? NHRA should enclose a stamped self-addressed envelope with National Dragster along with a ballot that includes the NHRA Competition Number on the ballot. You could request input on any number of issues and NHRA could have the results verified by an independent source, thereby taking away the appearance of a conflict in interest. The racers could vote on items that affected the racers directly and they could depend on the results as being fair and accurate. This is a win win situation for NHRA, because it increases the credibility of the NHRA no matter what the results are. An emailed in racer input does not reflect the total body of Stock Eliminator racers and to use this, as the criteria for changing rules would be grossly unfair. For the process to work it must be totally transparent and open to verification. Bob __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

09-20-2007, 02:02 PM	#6
Oldtimer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 87 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What to expect Wow, I agree with someone out West, way to call it Jared and a young guy too. Julie you raised him Right ! __________________ Bob Pagano L88BOB@aol.com www.dyainc.org 4033 AA/SA

09-20-2007, 02:37 PM	#7
Tim Kish Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 281 Likes: 2 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: What to expect With a 2-tenths index drop and the existing rules for class singles (0.5 under minimum) - look for more non-class winners in single classes. Any thoughts on refiguring event entry quotas for events running class eliminations for Stock or Super Stock - events like Norwalk in Div 3 where the quota was 80 entries only allow 10% of the cars in the country to compete. This is a part of the reason there are so many singles in the first place. __________________ Tim Kish 3032 SS/GS

09-20-2007, 02:38 PM	#8
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,926 Likes: 406 Liked 2,050 Times in 398 Posts	Re: What to expect Len --Thanks a million for your post !!!!! Getting rules changes for 2008 in September has to be a first . Having access to this news early will help every racer -- even the ones who don't agree with the new changes. __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

09-20-2007, 02:48 PM	#9
Tommy Gaynor Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 253 Likes: 2 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What to expect Thanks, Len you are the voice of NHRA to us. Thank you! Tommy Gaynor

09-20-2007, 03:13 PM	#10
Mickey Whaley VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,220 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What to expect I'm not so smart so enlighten me, if i run B/SA or C/SA or D/SA which current FI cars would fit into each 1 of those classes? And will they weigh the same as they do now in those FI classes?

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