Econo Modified

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by Glenn Hayes

So ........ your going to allow Automatic Transmissions then, right?

If that's the case, what's the point of another class?

Folks were excited to watch Modified because of the high winding, clutch dropping, 4 dry hops and slamming the gears at 9,000+ RPM.
I wouldn't care is the cars ran 11 second E.T.s.
But, if your going to change things to allow automatics, your just going to have another class without the excitement.

Make the Class with 4 & 5 speeds only.

AMEN
and thank you
A 2.5 inch collector ? Really ?

[Dick Butler]

I raced a SS/EA corvette with a powerglide BBC. This car pulled the wheels every run and every dry hop. Its not the Stick that makes the car work, its the suspension and the dry hop. Whoever said allowing an automatic makes it just another class hasnt been reading the rules. No fab manifolds, no dry sumps, etc etc, The collector is for a reason. Keep it simple and allow one size keeps the multiple pile of collectors useless in the garage from developing. Thoughts are appreciated...

[randy wilson]

Listen all. My ideal class for me has already been stated numerous times. I like a max 14.32 tire, 750 carb, 3.5 inch collector, spec heads from brodix, and clutch only. But, that's just me. I feel the restrictions we now have in there are enough to limit money spent. I have no, zero, nada, ziltch problems with bracket cars being allowed as long as they make min. wt. I ran a SS car against two Ness cars, and did just fine under these rules. Do we have to complicate it anymore then this? Use a spec spacer for everyone then, but same size as the carb outlet. Wouldn't that do the same thing. And If everyone is only allowed a 3.5 inch exhaust exit, wouldn't that accomplish the same thing? Also, Billy, I personnaly ain't against having autos in there. Also, Dick, a spec 3.5 collector would be fine with me.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by joespanova

A 2.5 inch collector ? Really ?

Yes. Although a 2" cone would be better. The concept of coupling restrictions on both the intake (restrictor plate) and exhaust (collector) massively mitigates any gains from trying to work the carb, cylinder heads, etc, because it can't breathe. It's not worth spending money on a no-gain proposition. If you used this method, you wouldn't *need* a spec head. Install the plate and collector on any combination, and go play. Tech is a breeze.

We did extensive computer modeling of this concept, ending up with everything from 350 small blocks to 540 big blocks running within less than a tenth of each other. Some ran the first half of the track better, and some ran the back half better, but it all came out in the wash. You can make weight break adjustments for different transmission types, body styles, or whatever you find out is necessary.

Bracket racing, for ALL it's participation, has ZERO crowd appeal.

We had 500+ spectators on Saturday of our American Doorslammer Nationals at Fayetteville in November, because we bothered to pass out a few flyers and only charged $10. Obviously not an overwhelming crowd, but not bad for "just a bracket race", and $150 marketing investment. Motor Mania TV regularly has over 10,000+ viewers watching big money bracket racing online. Anything that's not promoted will have zero appeal. Different types of racing appeals to different crowds. While not every crowd is interested in every market, there is a particular crowd for every market.

[randy wilson]

Ok, I'm confused. Am I to believe that a 461X head unported, with tall valves, and big springs will run with a 15 degree done by Reher and Morrison? Someone needs to tell the Nascar guys, they're spending WAY to many $ on heads in the restrictor plate classes. They don't know a stock vortec will do the same thing, and only cost $800.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Ok, I'm confused. Am I to believe that a 461X head unported, with tall valves, and big springs will run with a 15 degree done by Reher and Morrison? Someone needs to tell the Nascar guys, they're spending WAY to many $ on heads in the restrictor plate classes. They don't know a stock vortec will do the same thing, and only cost $800.

No, a 461X head won't run with a 15 degree head but you're manipulating the facts. The Nascar guys don't run the same exact heads on a restrictor plate motor or the same heads, cam, pistons or intake. And they're not restricting the exhaust either.

[Glenn Hayes]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

We did extensive computer modeling of this concept, ending up with everything from 350 small blocks to 540 big blocks running within less than a tenth of each other. Some ran the first half of the track better, and some ran the back half better, but it all came out in the wash.

Michael,
Has anyone done some real world testing of this on some drag cars?
I'm curious.

If I understand what your stating, in theory, we should be able to pick 20 cars, equip each with a single 4 barrel carb, install the 1" carb plate and the 2" header collector and have a group of cars that should E.T. with in approximately 0.10 of one another.

[randy wilson]

I'm curious too. Did they all weigh the same, as in lbs. per cubic inch?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Glenn Hayes

Michael,
Has anyone done some real world testing of this on some drag cars?
I'm curious.

If I understand what your stating, in theory, we should be able to pick 20 cars, equip each with a single 4 barrel carb, install the 1" carb plate and the 2" header collector and have a group of cars that should E.T. with in approximately 0.10 of one another.

We actually had a major track owner and a DD interested in this and we had cars lined up to test but everybody got too busy and it never got done. BUT it'll be a whole bunch easier to get "20 cars, equip each with a single 4 barrel carb, install the 1" carb plate and the 2" header collector" and actually test them then it will be to get 20 cars, equip each with the same manufacturers spec head, install a trick clutch and 4 or 5 speed and get them all to weigh in on a 10 lb. per cube weight break!

[Dick Butler]

Billy very good point. Probably will take a few test and tune runs for jetting etc . Only difference is the guys will still have the 20K + motors when all is said and done but it would allow a test of the theory.