Undercover ported stock heads?

Alan Roehrich · 10-07-2007, 02:52 PM

Allowing ported heads will only increase the cost, both of the heads and of the short blocks that go under the ported heads, since porting the heads will only increase the RPM the engines operate at.

What illegal part will you want to make legal next? And after that? And where will you draw the line?

Adger Smith · 10-07-2007, 04:36 PM

I am old enough to remember back when a Tech official could & would toss you if he just didn't think it looked right. They had leadership that wasn't concerned with lawsuits & threats from engine builders or racers. At that time NHRA tech was run with an iron hand and from my vanatage point, for the good of the sport. Maybe they need to take a good look at the way Nascar does things. Nascar has Invested in people & technology to strengthen their form of racing. I think It is way past time to quit counting beans & invest a few of them in more than the bank. Remember, a tree grows strong with a good root system. At this point I don't see much conceren for the root system in drag racing, only picking the fruit.

JP · 10-08-2007, 01:36 AM

That's well spoken!

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Originally Posted by Adger Smith

I am old enough to remember back when a Tech official could & would toss you if he just didn't think it looked right. They had leadership that wasn't concerned with lawsuits & threats from engine builders or racers. At that time NHRA tech was run with an iron hand and from my vanatage point, for the good of the sport. Maybe they need to take a good look at the way Nascar does things. Nascar has Invested in people & technology to strengthen their form of racing. I think It is way past time to quit counting beans & invest a few of them in more than the bank. Remember, a tree grows strong with a good root system. At this point I don't see much conceren for the root system in drag racing, only picking the fruit.

Greg Hill · 10-08-2007, 08:38 AM

If they would just pour the runners in stock and use the super stock volumes a lot of the problem would disappear.

bsa633 · 10-08-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed OBrien

For those of us that don't know the " common standard " What is it ? Have a nice day

I was under the impression that you really knew all about this ...

Mike Pearson · 10-08-2007, 12:36 PM

There is no doubt that allowing ported heads in stock will increase the cost to build the heads and engine.In super stock a good set of heads and intake cost around 8 to 10 grand. The issue with the CC size of the ports. If you use the SS volumes they are quite a bit larger than an actual stock port. The heads that I run have a intake runner volumn of 165 cc. The largest stock head that I have poured personally is about 157 CC. So you can see that if you use the SS head volumns the heads will be much larger than a stock head. Ported heads would not be a good idea for stock in my opinion.The move should be toward a more stock head. Even a rookie tech man should be able to detect heads that have been acid etched and shot blasted.

Mike

LouisJeffery · 10-08-2007, 01:59 PM

Enforcing the current rules is alot easier than people think. 98% of the bogus heads can be found using just the qualifying sheet. Any stocker that runs more than one second under has had some bogused up stuff done to the heads. Surely there will be racers attacking my comment but you can only lie to yourselves!!!!!! Louis Jeffery 3225 stock

Rob Lloyd · 10-08-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisJeffery

Enforcing the current rules is alot easier than people think. 98% of the bogus heads can be found using just the qualifying sheet. Any stocker that runs more than one second under has had some bogused up stuff done to the heads. Surely there will be racers attacking my comment but you can only lie to yourselves!!!!!! Louis Jeffery 3225 stock

There's nothing bogus in my cylinder head...

bsa633 · 10-08-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed OBrien

Do I think there is bogus heads out there yes ! Do I know where the line is drawn no.if there is a standard what
is it ? That is the problem there is no rule . Have a nice day

If you get your heads from an enginebuilder that have alot of engines out there they seem to have a good feeling were that line is since very few get tossed for heads!

Doug Patrick · 10-08-2007, 11:40 PM

NHRA already is pouring the runners in stock. They did everyone at Indy and have done it before also.

10-07-2007, 02:52 PM	#1
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,116 Likes: 1,573 Liked 1,830 Times in 415 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? Allowing ported heads will only increase the cost, both of the heads and of the short blocks that go under the ported heads, since porting the heads will only increase the RPM the engines operate at. What illegal part will you want to make legal next? And after that? And where will you draw the line? __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

10-07-2007, 04:36 PM	#2
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? I am old enough to remember back when a Tech official could & would toss you if he just didn't think it looked right. They had leadership that wasn't concerned with lawsuits & threats from engine builders or racers. At that time NHRA tech was run with an iron hand and from my vanatage point, for the good of the sport. Maybe they need to take a good look at the way Nascar does things. Nascar has Invested in people & technology to strengthen their form of racing. I think It is way past time to quit counting beans & invest a few of them in more than the bank. Remember, a tree grows strong with a good root system. At this point I don't see much conceren for the root system in drag racing, only picking the fruit. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 10-07-2007 at 04:37 PM. Reason: spelling

10-08-2007, 08:38 AM	#4
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? If they would just pour the runners in stock and use the super stock volumes a lot of the problem would disappear.

10-08-2007, 12:36 PM	#6
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,451 Likes: 615 Liked 1,934 Times in 581 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? There is no doubt that allowing ported heads in stock will increase the cost to build the heads and engine.In super stock a good set of heads and intake cost around 8 to 10 grand. The issue with the CC size of the ports. If you use the SS volumes they are quite a bit larger than an actual stock port. The heads that I run have a intake runner volumn of 165 cc. The largest stock head that I have poured personally is about 157 CC. So you can see that if you use the SS head volumns the heads will be much larger than a stock head. Ported heads would not be a good idea for stock in my opinion.The move should be toward a more stock head. Even a rookie tech man should be able to detect heads that have been acid etched and shot blasted. Mike __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

10-08-2007, 01:59 PM	#7
LouisJeffery Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? Enforcing the current rules is alot easier than people think. 98% of the bogus heads can be found using just the qualifying sheet. Any stocker that runs more than one second under has had some bogused up stuff done to the heads. Surely there will be racers attacking my comment but you can only lie to yourselves!!!!!! Louis Jeffery 3225 stock

10-08-2007, 11:40 PM	#10
Doug Patrick Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? NHRA already is pouring the runners in stock. They did everyone at Indy and have done it before also.

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