How about buy-backs in stock and super stock

Ron Ortiz · 07-24-2014, 12:44 PM

Lets think about this in a rational and beneficial way.

No buy backs, it is eliminations, you lose, your out, end of conversation.

All first and second round losers are eligible for a consolation race, at a reasonable price, for a reasonable purse for the winner only, as it is now considered double elimination.

Everybody wins, the track, racers, sponsors (exposure), losers.

This way no egos are hurt, there is still an all out winner, and the early round losers have a second chance to race. What would be the problem?

Ron Ortiz
U/SA redemption racing

Bill Grubbs · 07-24-2014, 01:16 PM

Why not give everyone a "Participation Wally."

This is stupid...

Even T-ball kids know the score, and who won or lost when the score is not kept.

If you don't like the rules take your stocker or superstocker and go to your local bracket race. The bonus is they don't weigh, have fuel check, or heads up runs! And then if there is something you don't like you can change their rules, not ours!

Ed Wright · 07-24-2014, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill grubbs

why not give everyone a "participation wally."

this is stupid...

Even t-ball kids know the score, and who won or lost when the score is not kept.

If you don't like the rules take your stocker or superstocker and go to your local bracket race. The bonus is they don't weigh, have fuel check, or heads up runs! And then if there is something you don't like you can change their rules, not ours!

ditto!!

Greg Barsamian · 07-24-2014, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Grubbs

Why not give everyone a "Participation Wally."

This is stupid...

Even T-ball kids know the score, and who won or lost when the score is not kept.

If you don't like the rules take your stocker or superstocker and go to your local bracket race. The bonus is they don't weigh, have fuel check, or heads up runs! And then if there is something you don't like you can change their rules, not ours!

I agree with Lundholm's Son-in Law!

RonTheAnnouncer · 07-24-2014, 08:25 PM

Well, this went as I expected, lol! Though I haven't (yet) driven in stock or super stock, I've never been a huge fan of buy backs for a couple of reasons. First, my home track has an average of 475 or so cars for a points race, so we've never had buybacks for those. Second, I HATE losing first round. Losing, paying money to buy back, then losing again would not do well for my blood pressure. I did buy back once...$20 extra to try for $2,000...I ended up winning 4 rounds and getting my money back plus maybe an ice cream cone.

I did attend a race where the car count was low and they had 2 rounds of buy backs! I beat the same guy 3 times on my way to the win. When I pulled up next to him for the third time, he looked over at me and looked pretty shook up...

Mark Yacavone · 07-24-2014, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Lets think about this in a rational and beneficial way.

No buy backs, it is eliminations, you lose, your out, end of conversation.

All first and second round losers are eligible for a consolation race, at a reasonable price, for a reasonable purse for the winner only, as it is now considered double elimination.

Everybody wins, the track, racers, sponsors (exposure), losers.

This way no egos are hurt, there is still an all out winner, and the early round losers have a second chance to race. What would be the problem?

Ron Ortiz
U/SA redemption racing

Ron, You got the holeshot on me this time.

Something to try for the Divisional tracks.

Take the round losers..put them back on a Sportsman ladder in the order they were in qualifying...Five minutes or less you've got a ladder..
$20 from the racer, $20 from the track..Pay W and R/U.
Who's gonna complain? The people in the stands? They're just family and crew anyway.
Might pick up a few more cars for the main event with this..

pauldilcher · 07-24-2014, 01:42 PM

Are you for real , or what ?

Ron Ortiz · 07-24-2014, 02:14 PM

I failed to mention that my Redemption Race would not be applicable at National Events.

At Divisional and Opens, it is quite sensible. What would really make it fun is if they combined Stock, SS, SC, SG, SST for the Redemption Race, or maybe not.

Hey Bill, congratulations on your race car preparation and Brenda's driving. BTW, they already have "Participation Wallys", it is that "Participant Decal" you get when you get your credentials.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA thinking outside the rules

Jeff Teuton · 07-24-2014, 02:28 PM

Why not go to Sealy, TX. A really nice 1/8 track. They have a system that might work: there are colored lights atop the tower. You can enter two different brackets and buy back in both brackets. You can run yourself in the final. A few years back, my son beat the same guy 3 times in one night. When your color is up, go race. When your second color is up, go race again. Winners run each other. Pretty simple really.

joe cool · 07-24-2014, 04:15 PM

If I was to buy back who would cook the hot dogs and drink the beer? never thought of that did ya?

07-24-2014, 12:44 PM	#1
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: How about buy-backs in stock and super stock Lets think about this in a rational and beneficial way. No buy backs, it is eliminations, you lose, your out, end of conversation. All first and second round losers are eligible for a consolation race, at a reasonable price, for a reasonable purse for the winner only, as it is now considered double elimination. Everybody wins, the track, racers, sponsors (exposure), losers. This way no egos are hurt, there is still an all out winner, and the early round losers have a second chance to race. What would be the problem? Ron Ortiz U/SA redemption racing __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

07-24-2014, 01:16 PM	#2
Bill Grubbs Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Magnolia, Texas Posts: 416 Likes: 3 Liked 564 Times in 66 Posts	Re: How about buy-backs in stock and super stock Why not give everyone a "Participation Wally." This is stupid... Even T-ball kids know the score, and who won or lost when the score is not kept. If you don't like the rules take your stocker or superstocker and go to your local bracket race. The bonus is they don't weigh, have fuel check, or heads up runs! And then if there is something you don't like you can change their rules, not ours!

07-24-2014, 08:25 PM	#5
RonTheAnnouncer Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ravenna, OH Posts: 60 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How about buy-backs in stock and super stock Well, this went as I expected, lol! Though I haven't (yet) driven in stock or super stock, I've never been a huge fan of buy backs for a couple of reasons. First, my home track has an average of 475 or so cars for a points race, so we've never had buybacks for those. Second, I HATE losing first round. Losing, paying money to buy back, then losing again would not do well for my blood pressure. I did buy back once...$20 extra to try for $2,000...I ended up winning 4 rounds and getting my money back plus maybe an ice cream cone. I did attend a race where the car count was low and they had 2 rounds of buy backs! I beat the same guy 3 times on my way to the win. When I pulled up next to him for the third time, he looked over at me and looked pretty shook up... __________________ Ron Huntley, Jr. announcer and Half ed racer "Those who can, do. Those who can't, criticize."

07-24-2014, 01:42 PM	#7
pauldilcher Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 425 Likes: 1 Liked 52 Times in 9 Posts	Re: How about buy-backs in stock and super stock Are you for real , or what ?

07-24-2014, 02:14 PM	#8
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: How about buy-backs in stock and super stock I failed to mention that my Redemption Race would not be applicable at National Events. At Divisional and Opens, it is quite sensible. What would really make it fun is if they combined Stock, SS, SC, SG, SST for the Redemption Race, or maybe not. Hey Bill, congratulations on your race car preparation and Brenda's driving. BTW, they already have "Participation Wallys", it is that "Participant Decal" you get when you get your credentials. Ron Ortiz U/SA thinking outside the rules __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

07-24-2014, 02:28 PM	#9
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: How about buy-backs in stock and super stock Why not go to Sealy, TX. A really nice 1/8 track. They have a system that might work: there are colored lights atop the tower. You can enter two different brackets and buy back in both brackets. You can run yourself in the final. A few years back, my son beat the same guy 3 times in one night. When your color is up, go race. When your second color is up, go race again. Winners run each other. Pretty simple really. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

07-24-2014, 04:15 PM	#10
joe cool Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: southwest iowa Posts: 53 Likes: 3 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: How about buy-backs in stock and super stock If I was to buy back who would cook the hot dogs and drink the beer? never thought of that did ya? __________________ Joe Keightley Pacific Junction Iowa

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