Any Wideband o2 that records?

[Alan Roehrich]

The best wide band AFR sensor I've ever used is the NGK Powerdex AFX. It does not record by itself, but it does have an output channel that will work with any good data logger.

We ran the same O2 sensor for around two years, until it was damaged during a landing from a huge wheelstand.

Someone convinced one of us to try an Innovate, that has never worked right.

I have hooked a couple of good friends up with the Daytona Sensor stuff, they have been extremely happy. Daytona Sensor is what we'll be running pretty soon.

[Bobby Fazio]

Cool, yea I'm unsure if it is the sensor not reading right or the behind the times accel software is screwing up the reading. Even the latest version of the software has lots of glitches, can't overlap graphs like I'm supposed to. One laptop the A/F ratio reads 17.99 and the other laptop it reads 9.89. So I started researching the standalone o2 systems like AEM, Innovate, and Zeitronix.

[SSGT Mustang]

I don't want to sidetrack this post, but thought that it would be helpful to share that I just bought the two channel Accel O2 sensor kit to go along side of my Accel DFI Generation 7 for a stocker that I'm building and am not too pleased with the quality control.

I bought it from a large retailer that had it dropped shipped directly from Accel. The first time around, one O2 sensor was missing, the connection cable was missing and the housing to the computer was broken. The housing didn't break during shipping, because the broken piece wasn't in the box, and box was in perfect shape when it arrived. I called the retailer, and they took care of it and had a replacement on the way.

I also called Accel to make them aware of the situation, and they seemed not to care too much about what I was telling them. The guy basically said that he wasn't going to do anything about it and had no interest in looking into their quality control.

The second go round, got a new box direct from Accel again....missing an O2 sensor, but got a cable...too bad that it's the wrong one. Called the retailer, and they're taking care of it. There's no point in calling Accel, since it's clear where they stand on quality control.

Where does this leave me? Let's say that I don't have a great deal of confidence in their products, and I'm strongly considering returning the O2 kit, and get my $800 back.

I'm interested to see how this thread plays out.

[jmarkaudio]

Look at the Innovate MTX-L and a PL-1 pocket logger, or an LM2.

[ALMACK]

I run the AEM wb failsafe on my turbo Stocker.

It samples 20 times per second and I can download the file after every run.
Not cheap at 300 bucks, but the failsafe feature is needed for a non-intercooled turbo engine like mine.

http://aemelectronics.com/?q=product...failsafe-gauge

[Bobby Fazio]

Originally Posted by SSGT Mustang

I don't want to sidetrack this post, but thought that it would be helpful to share that I just bought the two channel Accel O2 sensor kit to go along side of my Accel DFI Generation 7 for a stocker that I'm building and am not too pleased with the quality control.

I bought it from a large retailer that had it dropped shipped directly from Accel. The first time around, one O2 sensor was missing, the connection cable was missing and the housing to the computer was broken. The housing didn't break during shipping, because the broken piece wasn't in the box, and box was in perfect shape when it arrived. I called the retailer, and they took care of it and had a replacement on the way.

I also called Accel to make them aware of the situation, and they seemed not to care too much about what I was telling them. The guy basically said that he wasn't going to do anything about it and had no interest in looking into their quality control.

The second go round, got a new box direct from Accel again....missing an O2 sensor, but got a cable...too bad that it's the wrong one. Called the retailer, and they're taking care of it. There's no point in calling Accel, since it's clear where they stand on quality control.

Where does this leave me? Let's say that I don't have a great deal of confidence in their products, and I'm strongly considering returning the O2 kit, and get my $800 back.

I'm interested to see how this thread plays out.

The o2 sensor is just a bosch 17014 that Accel overcharges for. You can get them from advance for $50. It's a vw/Audi sensor.

PS I noticed on my third run of the four runs I recorded the other night, the sensor gave good readings when I pulled into burnout box and even through my burnout, somewhere while rolling up to prestage it pinned at 17.98 and stayed there the rest of the run. On the other runs it was pinned at 17.98 from record start to stop and one run was 9.89 from record start to stop.

[John Nechiporchik]

Bobby, Check the wiring. It sounds like there is a ground issue . I'm not sure if there is a specific circuit for the O2 ground, but the intermittent scenario you described would lead me in that direction.
These Accel loggers are very sensitive to proper grounding. The overall ground for the system (box) should be isolated and not stacked with any other ground wires.
When I had issues with intermittent starts with my calmap unit, I was advised to run the ground all the way back to the negative on the battery. It solved my problem.
These electrical gremlins are a pain to nail down.

John

[Signman]

Bobby

If your going to E-town and would like to try an LM-1 I have 2 with either the RPM converter or Aux Box. They both worked well in my stocker when I was using the Accel Gen VI. Even have the old laptop with software installed.

Signman1946@gmail.com

[Rich Biebel]

I used an Accel Gen VII and bought a data logger for it that was a separate box offered by Accel DFI. I sent my Accel ECU box in for a firmware update to allow the use of this separate data logger.

I never was able to get any usefull information from it....

It was working but I had a great amount of difficulty getting it to work as it should have. It had as many as 10 channels it could record if I recall right....

I had a toggle switch to turn it on and set the parameters for when it would start recording.

I did have an Innovate LM-1 with rpm converter and it worked fine....Used it a lot. I used it on every time run and removed it before eliminations.....

I needed a better understanding of how to tune my system and correlate the info from the LM-1 into my DFI's fuel map....

The LM-1 was very easy to use....

[ATI Performance Products]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

I used an Accel Gen VII and bought a data logger for it that was a separate box offered by Accel DFI. I sent my Accel ECU box in for a firmware update to allow the use of this separate data logger.

I never was able to get any usefull information from it....

It was working but I had a great amount of difficulty getting it to work as it should have. It had as many as 10 channels it could record if I recall right....

I had a toggle switch to turn it on and set the parameters for when it would start recording.

I did have an Innovate LM-1 with rpm converter and it worked fine....Used it a lot. I used it on every time run and removed it before eliminations.....

I needed a better understanding of how to tune my system and correlate the info from the LM-1 into my DFI's fuel map....

The LM-1 was very easy to use....

We have all AEM stuff. Challenger has two and they work great. I change them once a year. COPO now has 10 of them. Standalone box for each bank and two in the collectors go to the ECU. Sounds more like wiring or software issues for you. 17.99 is what I read in collectors at idle since there is not enough collector extension for low rpm tuning. However during the run shortly after launch they come around and don't get a sniff of outside oxygen. But since you tried in header and got the same I think wiring. One other check is to power up and see if it's getting hot. If we leave them on for 5 minutes you can't touch it.