Stock Suggestion # 1

[TILBURG]

Boys i'm not sure that would answer any of your prays for a long time. The sad truth of the matter is that there's to many people in the back pockets of each others. There are guys out there building STOCKER motors that 2 years ago wouldn't have even talked to you about one let alone build you one. Its a different breed out there most of them have not been in the stock/ super stock pits trying to turn a nickel into a dime. If you have a CNC head and a plastic manifold it should by all rights make about the same power in 10yrs from now. Correct? But with some of the top head porters know doing heads how many revisions to that CNC port do you think there will be? And they are not going to want to do just one set. I guess it will make finding a virgin set of 300hp heads seem cheap. LOL Not sure what the correct answer is. I guess just be happy with what ever you have and do the best you can. It's going to be a long road how ever you look at it. When 4 or 5 of the top 10 are older cars guess they can't say were not trying. LOL

[cutta]

So assuming refactioring isn't going to happen since its been proposed many times to no avail and that the FX class suggestion isn't likely to happen, what is another realistic option besides what Jeff suggested?

It seems to me NHRA is pretty much opposed to re-factoring the cars and all of the stock guys and girls(the majority) want all cars factored properly. Those seem to be the extremes of position on the issue.

Given these stances and that we are to a certain extent talking politics, what is the/a middle ground option assuming re-factoring is an extreme for the NHRA?

[Larry Hill]

Put all the new (2008-up) in their own eliminator race! No AHFS! Let the manufacturers put up their purse (say $5000 each) So let them all run for the $15,000. If them want to run in Stock Eliminator, they use their times and are subjected to the AHFS! Problem solved!!

Patsy

[sammy pizzolato]

The Easy Way Would Be To Make A B C D Stick And Auto If You Are A Old Car Change AN/S BN/S CN/S DN/S Stick And Auto. From D On up Are The Main Classes Affected.And Leave The New Car's Alone. And Let Them Beat Up Each Other. Just Saying This Would Be An Easier Fix. Think About It!!!!!

[Jeff Teuton]

Let's not get too far astray on this. Us getting away from a legimate idea is what keeps us from getting anything. You probably can't have it both ways. Speed up one and slow down the other more than likely won't happen. As far as a couple of posts about 'in a couple of years it will be back where we started', welcome aboard the AHFS wagon. Older cars going down about two classes gets most of the newer stuff out of the pre 2008 cars hair. I am not proposing tech changes, allowables, and anything else that does not exist now. And remember, many of these issues pertain to Indy only. There are 23 or so other races. I have other tingling ideas, and that is why this is #1. And I also said this is based on the fact that AHFS or very similar is with us for a while.

[442OLDS]

Lower the indexes three more tenths.That was such a great idea the first time,might as well do it again.

[Ed Wright]

Makes much more sense to just add hp to the seriously under-rated newer cars. Move them up where they should have been classified to begin with. Nobody that knows anything about engines could look at the engine specs, and think they are anywhere close to correct.

Besides the published specs, the 360" MOPAR Super Stock intake ports outflow the 350" GM LT1 intake ports by 40 cfm! Same cylinder head shop, same flow bench. No telling how far they are ahead of other, older engines with similar hp ratings. That is more than the LT1 ports gained from SS porting! How can we keep up for that?