Stock Suggestion # 1

[442OLDS]

Maybe this guy can figure it out?

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Ed, Luke is a very nice guy. That car of his has a 5.7 Hemi that before Indy was rated at 305hp. The automatic is rated at 421. Keith Lynch could of gone 9.80 in A/SA with one. Luke won't be hurt a bit.

If the auto version is already rated at 421, how does the 6.4 (added to the guide 8-19) get rated at 380? (probably going to run 9.80 at C/SA)

[Jeff Teuton]

Mike, it is dead stock, plastic intake & all, and 400 heavier than all DP's, 500 than some, other than the V10 DP. Body also dead stock. NHRA asked for showroom models, and the specs were provided. That car can be bought, vin number, title, license, off the showroom. All three showroom models are in the book, all dead stock. They are waiting for Ford & Chevy for the same.

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Mike, it is dead stock, plastic intake & all, and 400 heavier than all DP's, 500 than some, other than the V10 DP. Body also dead stock. NHRA asked for showroom models, and the specs were provided. That car can be bought, vin number, title, license, off the showroom. All three showroom models are in the book, all dead stock. They are waiting for Ford & Chevy for the same.

Other than the intake doesn't it spec about the same? Same heads as 5.7 SS, same cam (within .011) bigger valves, same throttle bore, it is down a little on compression but it has 50 more cubes!
I'm still slowly building my Ford, but with a small valve 428 I'll be classed the same. I can't see the Ford running anywhere close to the 6.4 if the 5.7 can go 10.10 in E.

[travis sturgell 3339]

I agree and disagree with some on all of this, but I have drove some under factored and drove some over factored horsepower race cars in what little time I have race stock and super stock cars and been on the top of the qualifying sheet and been a alternate to. Where I think nhra went wrong was putting fuel injection and carb cars together awhile ago to get away of so many classes. When you get down to it no matter if you have FI, Supercharge, or Carbs we are fill ins just look at the schedule change at indy because of the weather for the pros nhra could care less what we all complain about on here. Is that going to stop me from racing no I love it to much! The 1 thing that people need to remember is this world is driven by money and right now the car companies are making money by saleing these cars so that what is driving this. Also I can say is no matter if I had the money to buy a new copo or dodge or ford I can honestly say I would not because I like the old cars and driving them. just my 2 cents

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by Monte Howard

Back when the LT-1 cars were kicking our butts, (cost me a div. championship) the only people that were complaining about them were the people in their class and were getting beat heads up. Nobody else cared.
I think the new cars are neat, but they aren't stock eliminator cars. Like everyone has stated, put them in there own class and problem solved. What still cracks me up today is the fact that the rule book states "no porting or polishing of cylinder heads". All the new cars have CNC'ed cylinder heads. The manufactures just simply ignored all the rules in stock eliminator and built them how they wanted. Where NHRA really messed up is not telling them if that's the engines you want to run that's fine, but they are going to be superstock cars.
While I am at it, I begged for years for a weight break or three speed trans for the 67 and 68 camaro's with a small block 295/350. Since the 69-70 camaro with 295/350 could run a three speed trans. Always fell on deaf ears, till Chrysler didn't put a three speed in the guide for the drag Pak and GM and Ford did. All the new drag Pak owners cried and got a three speed rule change. No one cared until it affected the new cars.

Interesting, the 09 and 10 dragpaks came with either 6 speed stick or 5 speed auto..So I don't think any whining came from the first 150 cars...this must have been the 11 viper powered flat hood dragpaks.

I prefer to run my dragpak in superstock where it can be a decent car and fit, even when teenagers are running it. Stock is clogged with a crapload of very fast A cars, mostly camaros, a few vetttes and old Max Wedge iron. And a warmer track doesn't hurt a wide car a bit.

Many good suggestions posted, but I agree with Jeff, a bit too complicated for easy NHRA use.

Eric

[Alan Roehrich]

There is nothing at all complicated about cars that were never production street cars having an "FX" added to their class designation to separate them from cars that were production street cars. It is the most simple, effective, and efficient solution, requiring the least amount of work, and the fewest changes. That's a fact, plain and simple.

It may not be what NHRA wants to hear, it may not be what NHRA and the OE manufacturers want to see done. That does not change the fact that reclassifying the factory race cars that were never legal for the street is the most simple, least expensive, most efficient, and most effective way to resolve the problem. It harms absolutely no one.

[Monte Howard]

Originally Posted by Eric Merryfield

Interesting, the 09 and 10 dragpaks came with either 6 speed stick or 5 speed auto..So I don't think any whining came from the first 150 cars...this must have been the 11 viper powered flat hood dragpaks.

I prefer to run my dragpak in superstock where it can be a decent car and fit, even when teenagers are running it. Stock is clogged with a crapload of very fast A cars, mostly camaros, a few vetttes and old Max Wedge iron. And a warmer track doesn't hurt a wide car a bit.

Many good suggestions posted, but I agree with Jeff, a bit too complicated for easy NHRA use.

Eric

The first drag paks came with a glide only, and were classified that way. The three speed rule was changed so they could run a three speed in the factory Shootout.

[SStockDart]

It is interesting that some complain about horsepower rating when the entire HP rating system in out of whack..... As an example....our Super Stock car is rated at 356 HP....yet it produces over 300 HP more on the dyno (and still slow).....similar for our stocker. So, it is my best guess, that a 396/375 stocker is around 630 HP on the dyno, but rated ......what?

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by Monte Howard

The first drag paks came with a glide only, and were classified that way. The three speed rule was changed so they could run a three speed in the factory Shootout.

I pulled out my stuff back in 08 when the program was released, the autos came with a junk 4 speed auto(memory was off), and the sticks the 6 speed. These were for the original 100 run of dragpaks that were delivered in 09 teams had to apply for and be granted the right to purchase and build. Some reading this might find that entertaining. Yes in the depth of the recession, guys were driving to Roush to pick up a bundle of parts and then having the process started. Based on the number of cars in competition, not that many made it to the track. 5.9L, and 6.1L In 10 there was another run,5.9L, 6.1L and 6.4L motors I think a total of 50, for the 2011 dragpaks, they did indeed come equiped with 2 speeds, were drivable like the cobra jets, and could be ordered with an optional inadequate cage, cool graphics kit, and of course that Viper motor......somewhere after that the 426 motor came along. Making the previous motors look well weak by comparison.

Based on the car count this year at Indy, why would the powers to be want to change a thing? Back in 11 before his S-2000 was done, Carey Bales got in the show in my dakota in superstock when he was #143 out of 144(#144 got DQ'd). This year there were what 190 cars in SS, and what 200 in stock?

Perhaps the $1 dollar question would be what is needed in stock to get full fields at all the other races. AHFS has to apply to all or none though especially at Indy.

Eric