Entry Level SS(MOD) rules proposed

randy wilson · 11-11-2014, 11:00 PM

I agree, those two trans are the only way to go, but many already have them, and they will last a long while. I know me personally, I would rather run a clutch assisted with a 250# wt. break then an auto against a true clutchless, but that's just me.

randy wilson · 11-11-2014, 11:10 PM

This is directed to Pvr Parts. I may have just had a bad experience with trick clutches, but after spending $3,800 for a small diameter dual disc to replace our McCleod softloc, we had big expectations. The car went from running 5.90's at 119 mph to running 6.20's at 117 mph. We turned every nob on the thing, and if it slipped, it ran 6.20's, if it locked up, it ran 6.20's. Nothing changed. We could have bracket raced it, but it wouldn't get out of it's own way. Went back to single disc, 5.85, 120 MPH. Go figure. I just hated buying things guaranteed to help, that do nothing but kill your momentum. And no we never tried a different brand. If a mule kicks you twice it's your own damn fault. And I will not bad mouth the clutch company. Many are successful with it.

joespanova · 11-12-2014, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randy wilson

This is directed to Pvr Parts. I may have just had a bad experience with trick clutches, but after spending $3,800 for a small diameter dual disc to replace our McCleod softloc, we had big expectations. The car went from running 5.90's at 119 mph to running 6.20's at 117 mph. We turned every nob on the thing, and if it slipped, it ran 6.20's, if it locked up, it ran 6.20's. Nothing changed. We could have bracket raced it, but it wouldn't get out of it's own way. Went back to single disc, 5.85, 120 MPH. Go figure. I just hated buying things guaranteed to help, that do nothing but kill your momentum. And no we never tried a different brand. If a mule kicks you twice it's your own damn fault. And I will not bad mouth the clutch company. Many are successful with it.

What was that combo?
My car is an almost perfect fit for your rules proposal.....except I'd have to add a few pounds.........which I wouldn't like.
I have made as many clutch assisted passes as most and working from strickly base is a non issue for me.........I don't understand the problem the other guys are having? I use a 10.5 Soft Lok and Nash .......

buzzinhalfdozen · 11-12-2014, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randy wilson

This is directed to Pvr Parts. I may have just had a bad experience with trick clutches, but after spending $3,800 for a small diameter dual disc to replace our McCleod softloc, we had big expectations. The car went from running 5.90's at 119 mph to running 6.20's at 117 mph. We turned every nob on the thing, and if it slipped, it ran 6.20's, if it locked up, it ran 6.20's. Nothing changed. We could have bracket raced it, but it wouldn't get out of it's own way. Went back to single disc, 5.85, 120 MPH. Go figure. I just hated buying things guaranteed to help, that do nothing but kill your momentum. And no we never tried a different brand. If a mule kicks you twice it's your own damn fault. And I will not bad mouth the clutch company. Many are successful with it.

I noticed one of the rules is no data loggers, When I was running my AX combo and went from a softloc to a really nice fully adjustable single disc i saw a lot of improvements of course without the data logger to assist in tuning I too may have seen no or little gain. This is in no way trying to say a softloc is not a good clutch, it is just like a powerglide is a good trans but compared to a proflite or a turbo XLT they're merely stone age technology (for going fast).

randy wilson · 11-12-2014, 10:20 AM

The combo I had at the time was a 288 dart Buick in an 08 cobalt. We were thrilled with the MPH, and had high hopes. We weighed 3,040 lbs, G-Force 5 speed clutch less, and actually went from a single 4 to duals and picked up 23 HP. Went out all excited. Next thing I know the cops have a warrant out for our arrest for impersonating a drag racer. I don't see the problem either with a 10.5" clutch min, and single disc. Not if everyone has them. Again, I ain't too bright on the auto deal, and some of these guys claim they would be quicker. Might be, but that actually surprises me.

randy wilson · 11-12-2014, 10:44 AM

Also, we had a data logger, and we wore that poor engine out, and finally threw in the towel.

joespanova · 11-12-2014, 10:55 AM

Oh yeah , now I remember the Cobalt.

Dick Butler · 11-12-2014, 02:09 PM

So the suggested basic clutch is? and basic auto trans should be ? to be about equal?( and not excessively expensive)

11-11-2014, 11:00 PM	#1
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Entry Level SS(MOD) rules proposed I agree, those two trans are the only way to go, but many already have them, and they will last a long while. I know me personally, I would rather run a clutch assisted with a 250# wt. break then an auto against a true clutchless, but that's just me. __________________ don,t have one

11-11-2014, 11:10 PM	#2
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Entry Level SS(MOD) rules proposed This is directed to Pvr Parts. I may have just had a bad experience with trick clutches, but after spending $3,800 for a small diameter dual disc to replace our McCleod softloc, we had big expectations. The car went from running 5.90's at 119 mph to running 6.20's at 117 mph. We turned every nob on the thing, and if it slipped, it ran 6.20's, if it locked up, it ran 6.20's. Nothing changed. We could have bracket raced it, but it wouldn't get out of it's own way. Went back to single disc, 5.85, 120 MPH. Go figure. I just hated buying things guaranteed to help, that do nothing but kill your momentum. And no we never tried a different brand. If a mule kicks you twice it's your own damn fault. And I will not bad mouth the clutch company. Many are successful with it. __________________ don,t have one

11-12-2014, 10:20 AM	#5
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Entry Level SS(MOD) rules proposed The combo I had at the time was a 288 dart Buick in an 08 cobalt. We were thrilled with the MPH, and had high hopes. We weighed 3,040 lbs, G-Force 5 speed clutch less, and actually went from a single 4 to duals and picked up 23 HP. Went out all excited. Next thing I know the cops have a warrant out for our arrest for impersonating a drag racer. I don't see the problem either with a 10.5" clutch min, and single disc. Not if everyone has them. Again, I ain't too bright on the auto deal, and some of these guys claim they would be quicker. Might be, but that actually surprises me. __________________ don,t have one

11-12-2014, 10:44 AM	#6
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Entry Level SS(MOD) rules proposed Also, we had a data logger, and we wore that poor engine out, and finally threw in the towel. __________________ don,t have one

11-12-2014, 10:55 AM	#7
joespanova Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ga. Posts: 521 Likes: 7 Liked 13 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Entry Level SS(MOD) rules proposed Oh yeah , now I remember the Cobalt.

11-12-2014, 02:09 PM	#8
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Entry Level SS(MOD) rules proposed So the suggested basic clutch is? and basic auto trans should be ? to be about equal?( and not excessively expensive) Last edited by Dick Butler; 11-12-2014 at 02:18 PM.

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