New 2015 SS/GT rules ?

[SS480]

Yes, that is correct.

[Steve Stickel]

"or their engine combinations (automatic and manual) restricted to FGT/A through FGT/J."

Interesting,
So conversely, I'll use this as an example, 2010 352CJ in a 94 Mustang GT is what? FGT Or Regular GT?

[Jeff Teuton]

FGT. Any combo new anything body or motor, or if you got new shoes or socks, except the 2008 and newer Jelly Beans (Cobalts etc) seem to be exempt. Really bad math on this. Affects 16 GT cars with new bodies, or new motors, or both out of about 350 to 400 GT cars. I guess we will have diversity like Comp. That is working well.

[Michael Beard]

It was probably intended to read as 'body/engine combo or engine', but could use clarification.

It would be nice if they posted the indexes for all the new classes that they announced in October. I e-mailed the tech department.

Really bad math on this. Affects 16 GT cars with new bodies, or new motors, or both out of about 350 to 400 GT cars.

'Course if they were factored in the right zip code, they wouldn't need to be separate.

[Travis Miller]

Not every 2008 and newer car falls into the factory built racecar category. The new F/GT rules apply to the Camaro COPO, Ford Cobra Jet, and the Dodge Drag Pak and/or their engine.

As an example, a 2010 Camaro SS was sold new as a street car that can be licensed. Its shipping weight is 3780 with an automatic. The engine is a LS style with 376 cubic inches rated at 400 horsepower. If used for GT, this body or engine would fall into regular SS/GT classes.

A newer Camaro COPO body or engine was not sold as a vehicle that could be licensed for the street. Both the COPO body or engine would put a car into the F/GT classes.

The same applies to the Ford Cobra Jet and Dodge Drag Pak body or engine. A 2010 352CJ engine puts it into F/GT.

The Camaro COPO, Ford Cobra Jet, and Dodge Drag Pak are listed as so in the NHRA classguide. Some other models of 2008 and newer cars that are not factory racecars are also listed in the classguide.

[Bob Sherwood]

Travis will the copo,c-jet,and drag-pak cars and engine combos have new hp ratings for GT ?

[Jeff Teuton]

No hp changes for the new GT cars. FGT/A will have the same index as GT/A which lowers the index .05 for the automatic cars. At least that is my understanding. So my 70 Duster (44 years old) with a 360 motor which was introduced in 1971 runs FGT/something or other. Any other 360 motor is in GT. Heads are different. But folks, this is SS, do what you want, just pore right. Both are Edlebrock knock offs with a Mopar casting #. It will be real nice to have your very own class to run in. I will wait for Nitro Joe's final edition to see who is going fast. This is about who NHRA thinks can go fast vs. who actually went fast during the year. I think we have 84 classes, and after this we have 107. I might be a little off on that, but very close.

[Bob Sherwood]

If there is no HP changes or index changes for the F/GT classes and you can run an old motor in the new cars or a new motor in the old cars what was gained???

[Stewart Way]

I don't think the FGT classes were added for the 16 cars currently affected. I think they were added so as the FSS cars beat up on each other and hit the HP ratings they couldn't drop back to regular SSGT at the lower HP as some traditional SS cars cars do now. Just being proactive ahead of future complaints.

[Jeff Teuton]

Bob, what was gained was: 1. New cars not in the classes with old cars, or in GT old motors also. (See number 3) 2. Automatic trans cars (which are about 90%) get hit .10 to .30 (maybe more) in FSS and FGT the way I make it because the indexes are same as comparable stick class. 3. The old cars will now attract another 200 to 400 cars back that quit cause they couldn't run with the new cars. 4. Personal agenda out of Div 2 got Mark Nowicki out of regular GT because he ran fast and programmed his racing not to get AHFS'd. Course it took 16 new classes to do this. 5. NHRA punished the cars they helped create, even though it is the largest new asset to Sportsman Racing 6. The wedge between New Car-Old Car has been driven deeper to the displeasure of the Manufacturers. 7. Used Obama methods of everyone has to be the same inspite of cost or work ethic.