Vegas SS Qualifying - WOW!

[Dave Ribeiro]

Jeff,

You are still missing the point !!! No- HP, no-records and no-factors.. Why should one part of the country be handicapped and the other isn't.. You do know when it's below sea-level we still get FACTORED,when your weather is good you get records and no-HP !!! What a bunch of BS..
How can this happen and why isn't changed ???? Jeff, hope you are doing well and why aren't you their flying................ Dave...1033/stock(350ci)

[Big Road]

jeff I did a little searching and the DA was 2000 feet better in indy than it was in vegas but shaul went the same at both tracks so what you are saying is shaul could have went an 04 at indy. Maybe he was sandbagging in the final for class at a 128 mph??????

[G Schenck]

Big Road, I mention Pro Stock because they always have their fresh new piece in where as a super stocker would have the same engine either two months older or just freshened. It's easier to compare apples to apples.

Greg

[Bryan Broaddus]

Big,

Some combinations are better at altitude than they are at sea level. You just can't take numbers from one track and apply them to another without more information. Pure speculation unless you have intimate information on the cars you are using as examples!

[Mike Carr]

The issue that concerns me more than the factor, is the HP issue. Why cars at altitude can not receive HP penalties. In 2002 at Denver, Gary Gokey drove his A/FS to a -1.562 at Denver, and received nothing (and has been further under than that in the past). Had I made a run at the Dutch Classic in '04 that fast in the Turbo 'Bird, I would have received a five HP hit. Instead, I had to run heavy and slow the car down, while he has free reign to go as fast as he wants with no repercussion. Just doesn't seem fair?

[Jeff Lee]

Vehicles can, and do, receive HP at altitude tracks. Again, you receive 1x freebie per each half of the race season. Don't know if that applied there or not. However, you should really be asking "why do turbo cars receive the same factors at altitude as non-turbo cars?" since the turbo introduces atmosphere into the equation. That doesn't seem fair, does it?

[Isaac Zane]

Jeff,

Name ONE racer that has received HP based on a run from an Alt. track? They can run -1.50+ which would still be more than -1.15 under the sea level index and still does not even get a look at. They don't even raise the one flag.

You don't get one freebie per half. We ran -1.18 ONCE at a Nat'l and got HP with a 73 Buick 350 Apollo. An earlier pre-smog 350 in a Skylark also went more than -1.15 at the same event was apparently enough to make a "Family" change. And the 71 version of this 350 is allowed a 800cfm quad and we aren't.. Where's the equality in that??

Also in the first half a 72 Camaro and a 78 Corvette each made a hit to make a family change. I wonder if the 78 is now allowed to use heads and intake from a 72 now?? I doubt it. Maybe the Camaro can mold a 78 Vette nose onto the front?????? I would love to use a 72 or older Buick 350 intake instead of the smog infested, spagetti tangled, 70 pound intake we currently use. And I would like to have the header room a Skylark has also. Let's get Bruce Noland started on this...... These "Family" hits are BS!!!

While I'm on a rant......
Why are Competition Eliminator CIC permenant hits now in use at alt. track and not AHFS???

I'd go have a drink, but I don't drink anything stronger than pop.......

but wait, pop used to drink anything!!!!


Until there's a better system............................................ ..

Safe Trips All!

[Stewart Way]

Comparing the top 18 SS cars at Vegas that also were also at Pomona looks like around an average .16 quicker against the factor in Vegas than at Pomona. All 18 were at least .07 quicker. Don't think that is all starting line and humidity. Think part of it is the wrong factor. All runs should count.

[John Mason]

Remember, Vegas was a class race. Dan went 9.50 in Vegas with the heads up tune up and 9.46 at Pomona in race day mode. Same with several others I know of. Most SS'ers hold about .15 for heads up, which makes the factor about right.
That being said, for years I've advocated correcting all runs to a constant norm from track conditions for records and AHFS review as dynos do - say to 29.92 bar, 70 degrees and 20% humidy. We all do a version on it to dial our cars so let's have NHRA do it for those reasons. -600 feet at Houston and Atco corrected up, 11000 feet at Denver corrected down, etc.
A simple computer program to implement, could even print the DA on the time slip.
Too simple?

[Earle Holt]

Good post Stewart. I think the factor is off too.

One thing I don't understand is that everyone is saying that all runs should count...I'm glad the factored runs aren't! I wouldn't want my combo to get HP from an unrealistic run at a factored track. If the car can't run the number at sea level, then it shouldn't count for AHFS...the fact they can set a record like this is bad enough, don't make it worse!!