HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015

Marty Buth · 12-19-2014, 01:37 PM

Does this mean that the Indy U.S. Nationals will be considered "mine shaft" conditions? It took more than .850 under the index to make the 128 car field.

Nitro Joe Jackson · 12-19-2014, 02:01 PM

just glad I don't have to keep track of who is getting hp'ed anymore way to confusing.

Mike Carr · 12-19-2014, 02:29 PM

Marty, I would say yes. Only the 1-.200 (excluding FSS) penalty is in effect there, the way I read it.

Bryan, I would agree. Mineshaft for Comp = mineshaft for everyone. But Comp uses -.61 under for the first car in the bottom half (11 in a 20 car field,. 17 in a 32 car field, etc). I'm not sure what number would be fair to use. -.61 would make a lot of races 'mineshaft'. -.85, like you said, only Indy might make that cut and 1-2 others. It took -.882 to MAKE the show at Indy in Stock. Not sure what a fair number would be; maybe -.75. Just some more fun stuff to debate before Pomona.

Mark Yacavone · 12-19-2014, 03:16 PM

No HP hits at Indy..means no HP hits for factory cars.
Got it ? Good

LDFJR · 12-19-2014, 03:32 PM

I got it Mark!

Bryan Worner · 12-20-2014, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Marty, I would say yes. Only the 1-.200 (excluding FSS) penalty is in effect there, the way I read it.

Bryan, I would agree. Mineshaft for Comp = mineshaft for everyone. But Comp uses -.61 under for the first car in the bottom half (11 in a 20 car field,. 17 in a 32 car field, etc). I'm not sure what number would be fair to use. -.61 would make a lot of races 'mineshaft'. -.85, like you said, only Indy might make that cut and 1-2 others. It took -.882 to MAKE the show at Indy in Stock. Not sure what a fair number would be; maybe -.75. Just some more fun stuff to debate before Pomona.

What I meant was if the "Mineshaft" conditions are met for Comp at a race, then Stock and Super Stock should be considered mineshaft also. So if that Comp number is -.61, then regardless of what the bottom of the top half runs in Stock and SS, they are still mineshaft. But there would still have to be a minimum number for Stock and SS for when Comp is not contested. I looked at races like the 4 Wides, where there were definitely mineshaft conditions, yet the -.85 number was not hit.

countrypuppy4865 · 12-20-2014, 10:49 AM

Byron, I know super stock is going to be tough. Hopefully they will make a change. This is a step in the right direction. The way I like at it, races like the sports nationals in Belle Rose and some nationals with class will benefit. Last year the split for stock at Belle Rose was - .817. I think some people that may have not wanted to try for class to avoid triggers may turn it up and it may raise the numbers a bit to make more races "mineshaft."

goinbroke2 · 12-20-2014, 12:04 PM

No change in Stock for Ford 300 150 190 1993 F-150
I Realise nobody is running it, but 190hp for an inline 6?

Too bad, would be interesting.

Doug McCue · 12-20-2014, 04:57 PM

I give up on HP changes.

Ed Wright · 12-20-2014, 05:06 PM

http://www.nhraracer.com/apcm/APCMvi...?a=61904&z=132

Try this^

12-19-2014, 01:37 PM	#1
Marty Buth Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Freeport, IL Posts: 467 Likes: 658 Liked 232 Times in 39 Posts	Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015 Does this mean that the Indy U.S. Nationals will be considered "mine shaft" conditions? It took more than .850 under the index to make the 128 car field. __________________ Marty Buth 3657 STK

12-19-2014, 02:01 PM	#2
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,293 Likes: 58 Liked 67 Times in 19 Posts	Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015 just glad I don't have to keep track of who is getting hp'ed anymore way to confusing. __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com

12-19-2014, 02:29 PM	#3
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015 Marty, I would say yes. Only the 1-.200 (excluding FSS) penalty is in effect there, the way I read it. Bryan, I would agree. Mineshaft for Comp = mineshaft for everyone. But Comp uses -.61 under for the first car in the bottom half (11 in a 20 car field,. 17 in a 32 car field, etc). I'm not sure what number would be fair to use. -.61 would make a lot of races 'mineshaft'. -.85, like you said, only Indy might make that cut and 1-2 others. It took -.882 to MAKE the show at Indy in Stock. Not sure what a fair number would be; maybe -.75. Just some more fun stuff to debate before Pomona. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

12-19-2014, 03:16 PM	#4
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,818 Likes: 2,909 Liked 5,126 Times in 1,954 Posts	Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015 No HP hits at Indy..means no HP hits for factory cars. Got it ? Good __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

12-19-2014, 03:32 PM	#5
LDFJR Junior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 17 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015 I got it Mark!

12-20-2014, 10:49 AM	#7
countrypuppy4865 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Donaldsonville, LA Posts: 980 Likes: 17 Liked 228 Times in 70 Posts	Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015 Byron, I know super stock is going to be tough. Hopefully they will make a change. This is a step in the right direction. The way I like at it, races like the sports nationals in Belle Rose and some nationals with class will benefit. Last year the split for stock at Belle Rose was - .817. I think some people that may have not wanted to try for class to avoid triggers may turn it up and it may raise the numbers a bit to make more races "mineshaft." __________________ Jimmy "Cooter" Hidalgo, Jr. 4865 E/SA '04 GTO 4865 SS/GA '99 Firebird

12-20-2014, 12:04 PM	#8
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 892 Likes: 1,637 Liked 393 Times in 153 Posts	Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015 No change in Stock for Ford 300 150 190 1993 F-150 I Realise nobody is running it, but 190hp for an inline 6? Too bad, would be interesting.

12-20-2014, 04:57 PM	#9
Doug McCue Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Likes: 7 Liked 13 Times in 2 Posts	Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015 I give up on HP changes.

12-20-2014, 05:06 PM	#10
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015 http://www.nhraracer.com/apcm/APCMvi...?a=61904&z=132 Try this^ __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

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