Fuel Injection

[Bryan Worner]

Well said Ed!

Jeff, I didnt' say they got it totally right. As far as the indexes go, some are a little steep. However, trying to convice me that the combo's like the 360 Drag Pak and the 352 CJ should still be in GT, won't happen. Any combo (360) that is capable of running in the low 9.0's, high 8's at GT/EA weight, does not belong. Now, if you put them at like 350 hp, then maybe, just maybe I would say yes, only because they would be running the classes they should be, GT/AA or BA. I will never listen to anyone, friend or foe, who tries to tell me that motor is anywhere near factored correctly.

While I did have nothing to do with the new classes being created, I will not be sad to see them go. Every time I ran cars you mentioned, I got outrun easily, and when I say easily, I mean easily! By at least 2 tenths. And I know those cars were only set up to go fast enough to beat me, taking into account that I would have a much better light! So I'm sorry I can't agree with you on all accounts, but we can still be buddies! LOL.

[Jeff Teuton]

Ed, you first. I would take a good 4 bbl in a minute. We have put it on many times to verify things on my 360. We are now at 284. Your math is a little rusty. 80 HP. Wow. My dnyo must be junk.

Bryan, the New Car Owners Association has taken the position that all classes should not have stick and automatic as we are now. That would mean you get the same two tenths treatment we got in your hp/lb. I think NHRA is listening. Easy way to lighten the number of classes in SS. Way too many now. We (new car-new motor) have about 100 or so in SS and GT and growing. There were 767 Super Stockers who went down some points earning track. And I know I am old, and a little slow, but I can't find any GT/EA who went 9.00 in Nitro Joe's Stats. Maybe Nitro ain't as good as he used to be.

I know what mine does, and I beat Larry Hodge by 3/100 in Indy. All in, all done, all out. So I get .25 hit. Yeah, that seems fair. I don't think Larry's car is a new car. If we can't get some help on this, I will probably just change combinations.

[Ed Wright]

>Ed, you first. I would take a good 4 bbl in a minute. We have put it on many times to verify things on my 360. We are now at 284. Your math is a little rusty. 80 HP. Wow. My dnyo must be junk.

Jeff, I don't know it your lying, or trying to be funny. Hope it was the later. That 284 was funny. LOL
That would put my LT1 about 200?
If your dyno showed Cooter's making 800, as you posted, something is junk.
If you think Nitro Joe's had people's fast runs listed, your kidding again, right? Only if at a national open where AHFS is not in effect. How about 8.90s in GT/EA? Or SS/IA? I know who did, and if you are going to be honest here, you surely do too.

[Jeff Teuton]

Ed, you ran 10.08 @ 3240 minimum in SS/JA. I have never been that fast, I have been 10.19 in SS/KA. Both in good air. Course both are SS cars. Cam, Intake, etc don't matter. I think you got a point of compression on me. My wheelbase in 116 inches, I think your car is a couple feet shorter. I got ten cubic inches. You got a Chevrolet. That means that 8 million, 3.42 Hundred thousand, 968 people have worket on that thing. I would think it's pretty close by now. Parts for that thing are available at Walmart, K-Mart, and Walgreen. Is your motor the same as Ricky Decker? It's also 279 factored. All them doorstops yall race look alike. He went 9.70 something @ a little less than 3000 lbs. Is that the same combo. Both RWD, and both have had the aforementioned multi million people research team. The only thing worse for parts than a 360 is either Captain Jacks large boat, or Gen III Hemi stock replacement pieces. According to my trusty Moroso Power Speed Calculator 89650, for a car to run 10.08 @ 3250 lbs, it is about 575 +- HP, and low and behold on the previously discussed Calculator 89650, a 3475 lb car to run 10.19 takes 590 HP. Pretty close. Unless you are sandbaggin. I ain't. Now I don't know Mr. Moroso personally so I can't speak for the slide rule, but those numbers work on my motor, course I got that junk dyno, so maybe not. I'm just not sure where you and my Fireman Friend Bryan get the numbers. The fastest 360 in all of Nitro Joe Kingdom is 9.59 and that is is GT/FA. Bryan might have gotten some of that fire foam in him at a fire? I hope not. I have never seen anything close to 8 seconds in any recorded official NHRA race. Maybe it's the UFO effect. And there is always the possibility that Nitro Joe's Stats are brutally wrong, but it has never happened before. I'm sure this discussion will continue.

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

I'm defending myself, the runs in my stats where made at a NHRA/IHRA race where cars where scaled and put on a sheet, divisional event, national event and national opens, test and tune runs, rumored runs ect is not in my stats, case in point, Rich South's car went 8.93, but it was not at any of the 3 places I said above, so the run is not in the stats.
I try my best to make sure I have the correct runs, but I do make mistakes at times but I try.
Thanks

[Ed Wright]

Jeff, you have a point more compression than mine, ten cubic inches, bigger valves, bigger ports, much bigger throttle body, and a hp factor of 275, with about 60 more CFM intake port flow. The fiat engineers designed your heads & intake as a race engine deal. Mine was a 50 states emissions legal street engine that got great gas mileage. I know how fast Lloyd's 360" DP could run in SS/IA, if you can't run nines you need to work on that sucker. And, no, mine is not as fast as Ricky Decker's. As I have said before, I don't claim to be fast. There are a lot of guys faster than I.

If you think everybodies fast runs are in Nitro Joe's, I have some ocean front property up here for sale. LMBO

But, I know that you know better than that.

[Jeff Teuton]

Ed, the 360 is at 284. That 'super head' is an Edlebrock from about 2003 or 2004. Just got a Mopar # on it, and a higher price. If you think these are good, you should have seen them in Top Stock configuration. What IHRA did in those days, they took the three approved small block motors and gave each one the runner volume, chamber, the same. Do what you want, just pour. All the same. Not a bad method. If you take the 360 DP head, and use the Chev volume, it's worth about 30 more. But then again, I don't know what chevy head they were using. They all look like doorstops.

Nitro, far be it from me to question your published numbers. We all hear about these 'ghost' runs, but they never seem to have scales, fuel, or at some race nobody cares. When I see that 360 go in the 8's, I'm gonna buy it, or trade beer for it. Sure gets the multitudes talking.
I pulled up the formula for Compression Ratio, and LT1 came out about 12 to 1. The Decker motor is published @ 12 to 1. Mine is 11 I think.
As for the fastest run not being in Nitro Joe's, refer to the ghost runs mentioned above. If the runs were not at a points or national race, then all you have is conjucture. You know, as far as I know, if you don't get caught speeding, you don't get a ticket, and it don't go on your record. Probably different in Oklahome and Penn.

[Ed Wright]

Jeff, you need to go trade some beer for Lloyd's car, or hire James to build your engines.
You need a new calculator if you took the LT1 engine specs and came up with 12-1 compression. The GM heads Top Stock used were LT4, much bigger ports. That engine came in some 1996 Corvettes, and Pontiac Firehawks that SLP built for GM. That is not what Mr Decker and I have. I don't have an engine building business like you, nor a professionally built engine. I cobble my junk together best I can in my 2 car garage here at home, using all I can afford on Social Security. I'm not wealthy like you.
Do you ever hook up the other two barrels?