TS and TD National Championship 2015

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Barry Polley

Ed, We run at minimum weight for the class, no power adders and we run hard. We can get back to the pits safely and as fast as you can. We dont screw around. Out here the cars are never side by side on the return road. They might be lined up in a row but not double parked that I have seen. In my opinion there is no need to drive these cars back. These are not Super Series cars and I am not taking anything away from my friends in the 90 classes. These are VERY fast Qualifying bracket cars. When you see Stock, Superstock, Comp, Pro Stock, P/Mod and Top Alcohol racers in the buildup area and on the fence watching the races... That right there tells you something. We are very happy to see NHRA take Top to the next level. You should try fender racing at over 200!

If ts is normally aspirated, I appologize. It is the td cars we get hung up behine around here. At the Noble track it's the worst. Sitting down there blocked in behind the td cars, it is hard to miss the nitrous stuff haning on them. Nobody I know "hangs on the fences" watches them, but then I don't know everybody.

[Mike Pearson]

I like the top sportsman cars. Not so much the top dragsters. They are just boring like the other dragster classes. Just my preference though. I don't like having to run right behind either top dragster or super comp. They drag the water way up from the water box doing the across the line burn outs. If the starting line crew does not prep the line after they run it causes problems for the first 5 or 6 pairs. I just lag back a bit if we are running after either one of these classes so I am not one of the first pairs.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

I like the top sportsman cars. Not so much the top dragsters. They are just boring like the other dragster classes. Just my preference though. I don't like having to run right behind either top dragster or super comp. They drag the water way up from the water box doing the across the line burn outs. If the starting line crew does not prep the line after they run it causes problems for the first 5 or 6 pairs. I just lag back a bit if we are running after either one of these classes so I am not one of the first pairs.

Same thing we have here. I'm never around the ts cars, do have to run after the dragsters. Sure don't want to go up first when behind them.

No need to apologize Ed. No big deal. We run T/S and If Jeff had to drive back it would be scary. It is a Pro Stock GTO and in my opinion it is a safety issue. You cannot see over the scoop and right front at all. That is the biggest reason they sit on the side bar to steer the car. If T/D wants to drive back... Go for it. It should remain an option. The doubling up on the return road is a track issue and common sense...

[Mike Schwartz]

Lets put things in perspective. In the overall scheme of things, Stockers and Super Stockers are the ones that can more easily be lumped in with the "just bracket racers' of the sport. On the other hand, a large portion of TD & TS cars are both more powerful and faster than Pro Stocks and 80% of Comp Cars. So what if they run off dial-ins? I don't hear anyone calling for taking tow vehicles away from A/EAs or G/EDs.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Originally Posted by Mike Schwartz

Lets put things in perspective. In the overall scheme of things, Stockers and Super Stockers are the ones that can more easily be lumped in with the "just bracket racers' of the sport. On the other hand, a large portion of TD & TS cars are both more powerful and faster than Pro Stocks and 80% of Comp Cars. So what if they run off dial-ins? I don't hear anyone calling for taking tow vehicles away from A/EAs or G/EDs.

Mike, pardon me but your post is not at all accurate. Yes there is "bracket racing in both Stock Supr Stock and Comp, however there are also heads up runs. I've yet to see a headsup run in eitherTD or TS. Now how would these folks handle it if they went to heads up runs in their classes...the answer is simple you'd have 4-6 cars in the low 6 second zone show up for the race...end of TS and TD. Though I can apreciate the skills and effort involved in fielding one of these cars, they aren't even in the same zip code as a Stocker, S/S or most comp cars.

[mike wharram]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Mike, pardon me but your post is not at all accurate. Yes there is "bracket racing in both Stock Supr Stock and Comp, however there are also heads up runs. I've yet to see a headsup run in eitherTD or TS. Now how would these folks handle it if they went to heads up runs in their classes...the answer is simple you'd have 4-6 cars in the low 6 second zone show up for the race...end of TS and TD. Though I can apreciate the skills and effort involved in fielding one of these cars, they aren't even in the same zip code as a Stocker, S/S or most comp cars.

Well having run both comp and a TD I would say they are in the same zip code for sure ! Granted our TD is a low six second car but it takes the same $ and time our BED took

[Mike Schwartz]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Mike, pardon me but your post is not at all accurate. Yes there is "bracket racing in both Stock Supr Stock and Comp, however there are also heads up runs. I've yet to see a headsup run in eitherTD or TS. Now how would these folks handle it if they went to heads up runs in their classes...the answer is simple you'd have 4-6 cars in the low 6 second zone show up for the race...end of TS and TD. Though I can apreciate the skills and effort involved in fielding one of these cars, they aren't even in the same zip code as a Stocker, S/S or most comp cars.

It might not be related to the discussion, but PDRA ran 'Quick 4' races for TD & TS last year. Those cars ran a separate race at the end of qualifying, and the next day they went back to running off dial-ins. Sort of like the way class eliminations work.

In all forms of "class-less (ie. not Comp/SS/Stk)" handicap racing, if two cars with the same dial-in meet, they don't throw away the breakout and allow them to run all-out. They still have to adhere to the handicap.

Only in SS & Stock do you lose the opportunity to use a handicap if you have the bad fortune to meet a car in the same class. (Or good fortune if you have a quicker car) That makes a different form of racing, but it's a matter of personal opinion if its 'better'