nhra info on the FS/X Classes?

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

The point of this thread is that the FS/X cars are exempt from the ahfs while the rest of the cars are not. The ahfs does not work overnight unless a racer goes -1.20 or more under. The ahfs should be in affect for all Q and E runs for all cars in Stock at Divisional and National Events. And I'm tired of hearing what a racer would merely have to do to beat the ahfs. Who knows what they would do? We saw a C or D Challenger go in the 9's at Indy a few years ago and we saw a new Camaro bomb the index at Indy last year. So coulda, shoulda, woulda doesn't work. These cars belong in their own eliminator and nhra should step up with the cash and do it right instead of on the cheap through Stock. Especially if they intend on making these cars the Pro Stock of the future.

I agree with all that. If you intend to run for one of the 128 spots starting Saturday--you get horsepower for a -1.20 run. Period.

[rod butcher]

The rules need to be the same for all cars in stock eliminator at each race. At the very least there should be no ahfs when they run these shootouts. NHRA and the auto manufacturers might not like the result, as they seem to have a need to have these cars at the top of the qualifying sheet, as there are plenty of fast old cars laying in the weeds.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by rod butcher

The rules need to be the same for all cars in stock eliminator at each race. At the very least there should be no ahfs when they run these shootouts. NHRA and the auto manufacturers might not like the result, as they seem to have a need to have these cars at the top of the qualifying sheet, as there are plenty of fast old cars laying in the weeds.

Eliminating the ahfs and leaving the FS/X cars in Stock at Indy will not help the vast majority of the cars that are trying to qualify. Move 50+ FS/X cars to their own category and then allow 180 cars to enter Stock. 180 cars would probably try to qualify if the FS/X cars are moved. nhra would pick up an additional $20,000.00 that they could then put up as prize money for the FS/X cars. I'm surprised the FS/X cars aren't asking for something like this. I know most of them are in pretty good shape financially but hey $10,000.00 to win is nothing to sneeze at.

[D.Johns]

The AHFS will not apply to FSS cars because their weights are already skewed on a selected index. The weights and index is not based off of the same items as the old system was. The weights and indexs were chosen for parity to even out the many performance levels of these cars.

Now I will agree with Bruce and others who want us in our own class, on our own performance terms, no AHFS, heads-up, showcase on TV, for a worth while payout and keep us away from all the whiners while they are honest about shutting their 1.20 under dinosaurs down at 1,000'.



Mr. J
(The Villain)

[Bruce Noland]

We hope you enjoy your cars and get all the attention you want. But, making legitimate complaints about a bad system is NOT whining.

[Pistol Pete]

In my opinion, the new cars should get AHFS like the rest of Stock Elim. cars get.

If you take the Gators as an example from this year you all can see A New Car Was
1.38 under as your number 1 qualifier.

No HP Penalty. Advantage- NEW CAR
First Round Bye. (since first rd. was an odd number of cars). Advantage- NEW CAR

Totally Not Fair To The Rest Of The Other Cars !!!!!!

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

The AHFS will not apply to FSS cars because their weights are already skewed on a selected index. The weights and index is not based off of the same items as the old system was. The weights and indexs were chosen for parity to even out the many performance levels of these cars.

There are rules in place with the AHFS to change indexes. If those rules were used at Gainesville last year, a whole lot of FS cars would not have qualified at Indy.

[Ed Wright]

Wonder how many with new cars, other than Bo, were fast before the new cars?

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Eliminating the ahfs and leaving the FS/X cars in Stock at Indy will not help the vast majority of the cars that are trying to qualify. Move 50+ FS/X cars to their own category and then allow 180 cars to enter Stock. 180 cars would probably try to qualify if the FS/X cars are moved. nhra would pick up an additional $20,000.00 that they could then put up as prize money for the FS/X cars. I'm surprised the FS/X cars aren't asking for something like this. I know most of them are in pretty good shape financially but hey $10,000.00 to win is nothing to sneeze at.

Having 180 at Indy isn't a bad idea - pairing them up for first round would be a nightmare though .

As for the Camaro who bombed the index at Indy last year lets tell the whole story - if I'm not mistaken he got 29 horsepower added on the following Tuesday ! !

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Having 180 at Indy isn't a bad idea - pairing them up for first round would be a nightmare though .

As for the Camaro who bombed the index at Indy last year lets tell the whole story - if I'm not mistaken he got 29 horsepower added on the following Tuesday ! !

None is so blind as he who refuses to see. My post said 180 cars could try to enter and qualify. Not a field of 180 cars. And, of course, the Camaro got an instant hit - as did the Challenger. That is the whole point of the ahfs. There was nothing to leave out. It was obvious these two cars took a hit because the ahfs was in play as it should be for all Stockers.