If you could run a National event without the AHFS in place-

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Signman

Respectfully Joseph
What part of "your dragpack when entered in the shootout can qualify and race against 'old cars' in the regular eliminator without AHFS is not a level palying field" cannot you understand?

Without fear of HP or needing to protect your combination if both triggers have been hit, the danger you may hit it or go 1.20 under will alter where you would be qualified and how the ladder would fall. You would think a savy racer such as yourself would find that something to exploit if not there is a bridge about 15 miles from where I sit you need to own. Either you've got more money than brains orrrrrrr there is an agenda.........

I guess the part that I am running a car that is legal within the rules of the organization I enter it in. Not one new car guy disagrees with the old cars but as it is we will run where we fit best. We did not write the rules we simply follow them.

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

I guess the part that I am running a car that is legal within the rules of the organization I enter it in. Not one new car guy disagrees with the old cars but as it is we will run where we fit best. We did not write the rules we simply follow them.

So I take that comment as you agree there is an advantage for the "Shootout" cars.
A currently legal advantage and yes you are racing within the rules obviously That there is the issue

My posts have been meant to bring to attention the "specific" discrepancy in the rules favoring the "Shootout" cars. It isn't the old cars vs. the new here we all race together and should be under the same rules.
Actually by playin around with Bruce and the banter here shows a bit of a smug attitude by yall as well as a being bit elitist like a typical liberal would in a similar situation.

[Joseph Teuton]

I am merely stating that we looked at the best combination when building our cars as everyone else did at the time they built theirs. Ours just happen to be post 1970's. Why would we build a car that did not have an advantage..?

The smug you are referring about must be the southern in my voice! Lmbo!
Liberal..nah.

[SS3718]

Mr. Signman,
I agree that this isn't a "new" car vs. "old car" issue. But I must ask, why are sticks & autos combined in the new classes but not the old classes? Not to mention, the stick indexes were used which resulted in most all autos taking a substantial hit to their index. Should all stock and super stock classes be combined the same way?

I'm good with the rule as long as everyone is subject to the same rules. Equality for all, right? Maybe this can be corrected too?

Nick Morris
FGT/F

[Tony Corley]

I still really don't see the advantage they have when it comes time for eliminations.

[Signman]

Joseph
Best Wishes to You.

Mr Morris
My interest in this is a level playing field for all.
This effects me in a small way so am speaking up.
Don't think stick and auto should be combined. If it's unfair to the new cars start a conversation and I will support you.

Mr Corley
If we understand how qualifying and ladder system works there are advantages:
Qualify No.1 will earn you a first or second round bye.
Beiing able to sit at the top or bottom of qualifying able to play the ladder at will can have its advantages avoiding headsups, touigh pairings and friends.

Be well gentlemen!

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Tony Corley

I still really don't see the advantage they have when it comes time for eliminations. In my mind, worrying about where you qualify for a bracket race is like racing in the special Olympics. Even if you are first, you are still HANDICAPPED!

Well, that's an unfortunate way to describe yourself simply because you are unable to understand that if there are 3 bye runs, the top 3 cars get first shot at them. That's how it effects the eliminator. They are stealing bye runs, and in their minds they are doing nothing wrong. Its kinda like that lady who parks in the Handicapped spot, and then pays for all of her food (steak, shrimp and all the good stuff) with food stamps and makes a separate transaction for all of her alcohol. Sure, she is playing by the rules, but I have zero respect for a person like that. She sees no problem, screw everybody else, why don't they just do what she does if its such an advantage?......... I would say, because I'm better than that.

[D.Johns]

It doesn't matter what any of the rules are. There will ALWAYS be someone screaming foul and injustice.

Some people compete by racing their cars and some people compete by lobbying the rules. There is always a political side to it. Actually the NHRA seems less politically corrupt then other series I've been evolved in.

Then there are guys that complain about anything and everything. Win a million dollars off a 10$ scratch off ticket and complain about paying taxes on it.(not that anyone enjoys paying our own tax burden)

[Tony Corley]

Now that someone finally explained that it's not an "all run" field, at least that part makes sense now. When I asked the reasoning earlier, the answers, although some being condescending, were totally useless in shedding light on the issues caused. I thought it was an all run field, so qualifying order didn't seem to matter.


Thanks for the ones that took time to give a reasonable explanation.

[Superfan1]

Originally Posted by Tony Corley

Now that someone finally explained that it's not an "all run" field, at least that part makes sense now. When I asked the reasoning earlier, the answers, although some being condescending, were totally useless in shedding light on the issues caused. I thought it was an all run field, so qualifying order didn't seem to matter.


Thanks for the ones that took time to give a reasonable explanation.

Tony, the only National Event that is not an "all run" field is Indy; the quota is 200 for both Stock and Super Stock, and 128 cars qualify for each category. Every other National event is "all run" because the quotas are all less than 128.