SS Modified

[Ed Carpenter]

A spec motor class will never happen in NHRA. You have a better chance of turning Obuma into a Republican first........

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Gonna have to splain to me how you save $7000 in the clutch rule by not allowing data loggers or pan evac systems. Pan evac= less than $100 entry level datalogger can be had for $600 since everyone already owns a laptop that's a wash on cost. I'm aware of at least one "econo" circle track series in my area, believe me when you limit one thing many dollars get spent on something else to enhance performance. Bottom line any "limited" class series will quickly spiral out of control merely because there WILL be someone that is willing to spend what ever it takes to be the fastest. It's been proven over and over. Oh and since the stick cars are limited...I'll assume there will be a "spec" torque converter and everyone runs a bone stock power glide right?

[randy wilson]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Gonna have to splain to me how you save $7000 in the clutch rule by not allowing data loggers or pan evac systems. Pan evac= less than $100 entry level datalogger can be had for $600 since everyone already owns a laptop that's a wash on cost. I'm aware of at least one "econo" circle track series in my area, believe me when you limit one thing many dollars get spent on something else to enhance performance. Bottom line any "limited" class series will quickly spiral out of control merely because there WILL be someone that is willing to spend what ever it takes to be the fastest. It's been proven over and over. Oh and since the stick cars are limited...I'll assume there will be a "spec" torque converter and everyone runs a bone stock power glide right?

Every class in SS is a spec class. Just different specs. You're not allowed a dry sump in SS, but other classes you are. It ain't rocket science. They could curb the spending but choose not to. A true Comp type titanium clutch assembly is around $7,000 more or less. Depending on all the bells, and whistles. No need for it if you limit it to one single disc clutch, and a minimum diameter. No need for the titanium bell housing. Pan evac would be legal. Vac pumps, not. I'm saying the high end pump setups are rather expensive. Don't worry. None of this will ever happen, but I go back to my original point. Why would anyone care, especially when it involves no one else's class? Mind boggling!

[Dick Butler]

I guess I will end my comments on this post with a couple of questions.
Why do people complain about the high cost of a motor and not want to evaluate a way to curb the costs?
Why do people complain about the soft factors of this motor or that factory car and not want to consider the lb. / cubic inch methods more?
Why do people express concerns about NO crowd in the stands for points meets when S and SS are the major competitors and not admit the dial in program might be the issue?
Why do racers who competed in TOP/STK and TOP/SS explain it was the most fun they had in years racing heads up instead of dial in?
Why do racers comment on the fact the majority of the current racers are at retirement age and attracting new blood seems difficult but not want to help create an entry level full size car or class to attract more people?
Even more interesting is why people want to comment negatively when it would not affect the car they currently run but might offer a cheaper alternative later?
The basic question many have is why does Dick Butler who does not currently race care?
Friends Drag Racing is a wonderful sport and I always want to offer thoughts which might bring it back to where it has been in popularity and can return for the future at the Sportsman racer level.
Thank you.....for participating in the thinking and discussion.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Every class in SS is a spec class. Just different specs. You're not allowed a dry sump in SS, but other classes you are. It ain't rocket science. They could curb the spending but choose not to. A true Comp type titanium clutch assembly is around $7,000 more or less. Depending on all the bells, and whistles. No need for it if you limit it to one single disc clutch, and a minimum diameter. No need for the titanium bell housing. Pan evac would be legal. Vac pumps, not. I'm saying the high end pump setups are rather expensive. Don't worry. None of this will ever happen, but I go back to my original point. Why would anyone care, especially when it involves no one else's class? Mind boggling!

Actually you can run a dry sump in SS of course it's not allowed in most but the X cars can. And again are any of the SS guys running the 7000 dollar clutches now? None that I know of, don;t think titanium cans are allowed now in SS, vac pumps are not allowed now in conventional SS....so I'm still not seeing the savings. And for Dicks response...I've never complained about the cost of a motor, you build what you can afford...if the fast guys are spending 35-50K on an engine then you either pay up, work the ladder, or change classes. There will always be someone who thinks "His index is too soft" "costs are out of control" "engines are too expensive" "this guy can out spend me" on and on it goes. Look around...some folks are pulling in with 500,000-600,000 dollar RIGS! Do you honestly think they can't pay their way into being fast? However does that mean that they WILL win...last I checked you can pull in with a pickup and open trailer and wear them out.

[randy wilson]

Again, it effects no one. I just don't see why the ire. It would effect no ones combo.

[Bill Diehl]

A spec class works in round track because they all want to race to the finish line...they can't put shoe polish on the window.

It also works in round track because some guys have more money than others and it is a good way to level the playing field.

It ain't going to happen in NHRA for reasons others have stated.

I like the idea, but I also am the one that wishes the whole dam program (Stock,SS and Comp) was run from national records

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Bill Diehl

A spec class works in round track because they all want to race to the finish line...they can't put shoe polish on the window.

It also works in round track because some guys have more money than others and it is a good way to level the playing field.

It ain't going to happen in NHRA for reasons others have stated.

I like the idea, but I also am the one that wishes the whole dam program (Stock,SS and Comp) was run from national records

I take that as one vote for the idea, not replacing classes but as a stand alone.( as it was proposed) Not sure why it wont work though.

[randy wilson]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

I take that as one vote for the idea, not replacing classes but as a stand alone.( as it was proposed) Not sure why it wont work though.

Far too simple and easy to understand. Never happen. It needs to be way more complicated to have anyone take a close look.

[HR9121]

Why do you guys continue to turn every thread on here to a thread about your stupid spec motor class? Go back to your original thread or exchange phone numbers because you two are apparently the only ones that believe its a great idea!