Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races

Jeremy · 11-27-2007, 08:24 PM

All this crying and voting is gonna kill class racing. There will always be more loosers than winners and after a year or two of voting by the cry baby racers the race part of "class racing" will be gone as it is nearly now.
It's a lot easier to vote performance away than to go out in the garage and work.
There will be no need to sell or buy performance parts or for anyone even wanting to watch as performance part of class racing is disappearing and unless a friend wins the race no one could care less.
I vote to forget holding performance back, and let bracket racers go back to bracket racing. At least let performance keep up with the rule changes.
I've already stopped on my new motor for '08, no need to update if all I have to go to is a bracket race.

Dave Layer · 11-27-2007, 08:35 PM

Bruce
I don't have clue, must be one of those internal things.

Jeremy
Amen

Harry 6674
How about 64 car qualified fields?

We need the keep "PERFORMANCE" in Stock and Super Stock. Let the Bracket competetors (I can't call them racers) go bracket race, There are plenty of them to go to. Stock and Super Stock will be fine with out them.

Real Racer · 11-27-2007, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Layer

We need the keep "PERFORMANCE" in Stock and Super Stock. Let the Bracket competetors (I can't call them racers) go bracket race, There are plenty of them to go to. Stock and Super Stock will be fine with out them.

Double Amen to that Dave!

SS Engine Guy · 11-27-2007, 08:58 PM

Deleted. for lack of interest

Blingmaster · 11-27-2007, 09:19 PM

I have been enjoying this sport since 1965 longer than some shorter than others...In the begining you sought out a dynamite combo you were sure no one in the world would pick ,you put endless hours into disassembling scraping sound deadner, aftermarket fenders just to pick up 6 lbs. Just so you could possibly have a chance to set a national record..The undisputed fastest car in the country for your class. National record holders would get free admission to the races if posted in dragster....You would paint national record holder with the pride of a new father on your fender....What has happened to this ?????? You ran off of national records no afhs....If you were smart and ingenius enough to hold record you got instant respect from your peers. people would try to duplicate your comb...how is that for an ego trip???How about throwing out the point system because most of us racers cannot afford the traveling road show....and install a national record system...You set national record found to be legal free ride in national and divisional events for the year record was set....if you destroyed record ahfs would kick in and horsepower would be added......Is this concept toooooo simple..We have people right now I would assume that can go faster than 1.15 under but could never get through a tear down...Yet if that combo goes 1.15 under automatically h.p. given. Lets get the juices flowing and put performance not sandbagging into S/SS racing......

Ed Fernandez · 11-27-2007, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Layer

Bruce
I don't have clue, must be one of those internal things.

Jeremy
Amen

Harry 6674
How about 64 car qualified fields?

We need the keep "PERFORMANCE" in Stock and Super Stock. Let the Bracket competetors (I can't call them racers) go bracket race, There are plenty of them to go to. Stock and Super Stock will be fine with out them.

Last time I looked it was 2007,not 1967.So all of us poor,
as in I dont have the money for a set of $3,000 heads
and "special" stock elim. pistons,etc. etc. RACERS dont
belong in S/SS according to the head GOD.You want to go fast maybe You should build a SS/AH car or a comp car.
Everybody Isn't Daddy Warbucksin S/SS.It seems like a bunch of mainly old hasbeens resent the fact that their little world was invaded by racers who go rounds and win races and championships.
Maybe Mr. Heads Up shold just go on a "Pinks" tour in 2008.
Kevlar underwear on,flame away............

Ed F.
NHRA #1945
IHRA #14
T/SA

bsa633 · 11-27-2007, 11:27 PM

AHFS is a sad deal..NHRA seeking input,doing polls and such on different areas shows they dont have a clue what they are doing with the classes but still they can say...well you woted for this and that,..very smart..then we can't blame them for anything,(or give credit..hahaha)

still thinkit's just plain ridiculous to be able to run so much under the index.some has mentioned all the stuff we got the last 10 years + INDEX RAISE in 93 or 94,we cant keep adding weight to the cars all the time.. or maybe we should raise the index another .50 so everyone can run these classes and most hit 1.15 if they chosse..

IT'S TIME to put the performance back into these classes,lower the index and keep the 1.15 so a very few will have the pleasure to slow thier cars down! that could bring the different cars and combinations closer to each other or atleast show the perfomance differences..

DBarber · 11-28-2007, 01:25 AM

If the AHFS is applied at division races there would be no incentive left to work , invest , develop, or build any new engines , any old junk in the back corner will play ball then. The smile that you get at the ET shack from a fast run will be over and probably most of us that have supported superstock for over 30 years will be too. When i first started, I never made the show at national events, couldn't go fast enough. NO ONE listened to any crying then. They said, "go work on your car young man " . I did, I learned , worked hard, tested and then before long I qualified. As In any motorsport someone will always be faster at best. NHRA divisional and National Events were never for the Saturday-nite racer. It was then and still is the top of the mountain for a sportsman racer. It was never intended to be EASY. Go bracket race if you don't want to work, but leave the rest of us who enjoy the competition and challenge alone. Don Barber

I AM AGAINST APPLYING THE 1.15 AT DIVISION RACES

Evan Smith · 11-28-2007, 09:16 AM

No one wants to get HP, but how can the system work when every run doesn't count? The AFHS system is there to keep the playing field fair and if racers are sandbagging that is not fairplay. Many guys with fast cars only go to two or three Nationals at best, but run at 5-8 divisonals and many more go to Opens. This makes it far too easy to babysit a combination that is too fast. Before you flame away, read on. Why do runs in Class competition not count after first round, but they do count if you go too fast in the eliminator? Duh, fast guys often skate past first round of class and then are free to go wide open. How is that fair?

The question is, what is too fast? If a combo is soft it deserves HP, however, if the racer has worked his tail off to go fast why should he or she get the lead trophy? NHRA also needs to include factored tracks if they are going to count runs when conditions are mine-shaft-like. If you look, the top qualifiers at these tracks are guys who can go plenty fast.

The real problem is that we need to define why a combination gets HP and not just say it's because two guys went quick.

Evan Smith
Stock 1798
SS 1797

Dave Ribeiro · 11-28-2007, 09:53 AM

Evan,

Very good post, how can we get the birds at NHRA to listen.. Everyone says there's no- advantages, but you are right-on when they can go-fast and set records at factored tracks with NO-HP at all ???? Yet at the so-called sea-level tracks the faster cars get wacked !!!! something is wrong with this picture ...... What is NHRA waiting for ? When will they at least level the playing field on both coasts ? How can you set a record or run way under and not get HP..

Maybe Len can chime in and tell us how this is still happening ???? Dave,

11-27-2007, 08:35 PM	#2
Dave Layer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 93 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races Bruce I don't have clue, must be one of those internal things. Jeremy Amen Harry 6674 How about 64 car qualified fields? We need the keep "PERFORMANCE" in Stock and Super Stock. Let the Bracket competetors (I can't call them racers) go bracket race, There are plenty of them to go to. Stock and Super Stock will be fine with out them.

11-27-2007, 08:58 PM	#4
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races Deleted. for lack of interest Last edited by SS Engine Guy; 11-27-2007 at 09:40 PM.

11-27-2007, 09:19 PM	#5
Blingmaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: usa Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races I have been enjoying this sport since 1965 longer than some shorter than others...In the begining you sought out a dynamite combo you were sure no one in the world would pick ,you put endless hours into disassembling scraping sound deadner, aftermarket fenders just to pick up 6 lbs. Just so you could possibly have a chance to set a national record..The undisputed fastest car in the country for your class. National record holders would get free admission to the races if posted in dragster....You would paint national record holder with the pride of a new father on your fender....What has happened to this ?????? You ran off of national records no afhs....If you were smart and ingenius enough to hold record you got instant respect from your peers. people would try to duplicate your comb...how is that for an ego trip???How about throwing out the point system because most of us racers cannot afford the traveling road show....and install a national record system...You set national record found to be legal free ride in national and divisional events for the year record was set....if you destroyed record ahfs would kick in and horsepower would be added......Is this concept toooooo simple..We have people right now I would assume that can go faster than 1.15 under but could never get through a tear down...Yet if that combo goes 1.15 under automatically h.p. given. Lets get the juices flowing and put performance not sandbagging into S/SS racing......

11-27-2007, 11:27 PM	#7
bsa633 Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 310 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races AHFS is a sad deal..NHRA seeking input,doing polls and such on different areas shows they dont have a clue what they are doing with the classes but still they can say...well you woted for this and that,..very smart..then we can't blame them for anything,(or give credit..hahaha) still thinkit's just plain ridiculous to be able to run so much under the index.some has mentioned all the stuff we got the last 10 years + INDEX RAISE in 93 or 94,we cant keep adding weight to the cars all the time.. or maybe we should raise the index another .50 so everyone can run these classes and most hit 1.15 if they chosse.. IT'S TIME to put the performance back into these classes,lower the index and keep the 1.15 so a very few will have the pleasure to slow thier cars down! that could bring the different cars and combinations closer to each other or atleast show the perfomance differences.. Last edited by bsa633; 11-28-2007 at 05:19 AM.

11-28-2007, 01:25 AM	#8
DBarber Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races If the AHFS is applied at division races there would be no incentive left to work , invest , develop, or build any new engines , any old junk in the back corner will play ball then. The smile that you get at the ET shack from a fast run will be over and probably most of us that have supported superstock for over 30 years will be too. When i first started, I never made the show at national events, couldn't go fast enough. NO ONE listened to any crying then. They said, "go work on your car young man " . I did, I learned , worked hard, tested and then before long I qualified. As In any motorsport someone will always be faster at best. NHRA divisional and National Events were never for the Saturday-nite racer. It was then and still is the top of the mountain for a sportsman racer. It was never intended to be EASY. Go bracket race if you don't want to work, but leave the rest of us who enjoy the competition and challenge alone. Don Barber I AM AGAINST APPLYING THE 1.15 AT DIVISION RACES

11-27-2007, 08:24 PM	#1
Jeremy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 95 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races All this crying and voting is gonna kill class racing. There will always be more loosers than winners and after a year or two of voting by the cry baby racers the race part of "class racing" will be gone as it is nearly now. It's a lot easier to vote performance away than to go out in the garage and work. There will be no need to sell or buy performance parts or for anyone even wanting to watch as performance part of class racing is disappearing and unless a friend wins the race no one could care less. I vote to forget holding performance back, and let bracket racers go back to bracket racing. At least let performance keep up with the rule changes. I've already stopped on my new motor for '08, no need to update if all I have to go to is a bracket race. Last edited by Jeremy; 11-27-2007 at 09:00 PM. Reason: miss spelled word.

11-28-2007, 09:16 AM	#9
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races No one wants to get HP, but how can the system work when every run doesn't count? The AFHS system is there to keep the playing field fair and if racers are sandbagging that is not fairplay. Many guys with fast cars only go to two or three Nationals at best, but run at 5-8 divisonals and many more go to Opens. This makes it far too easy to babysit a combination that is too fast. Before you flame away, read on. Why do runs in Class competition not count after first round, but they do count if you go too fast in the eliminator? Duh, fast guys often skate past first round of class and then are free to go wide open. How is that fair? The question is, what is too fast? If a combo is soft it deserves HP, however, if the racer has worked his tail off to go fast why should he or she get the lead trophy? NHRA also needs to include factored tracks if they are going to count runs when conditions are mine-shaft-like. If you look, the top qualifiers at these tracks are guys who can go plenty fast. The real problem is that we need to define why a combination gets HP and not just say it's because two guys went quick. Evan Smith Stock 1798 SS 1797 __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

11-28-2007, 09:53 AM	#10
Dave Ribeiro VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Williamsburg, Va.---USA Posts: 1,827 Likes: 1,612 Liked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races Evan, Very good post, how can we get the birds at NHRA to listen.. Everyone says there's no- advantages, but you are right-on when they can go-fast and set records at factored tracks with NO-HP at all ???? Yet at the so-called sea-level tracks the faster cars get wacked !!!! something is wrong with this picture ...... What is NHRA waiting for ? When will they at least level the playing field on both coasts ? How can you set a record or run way under and not get HP.. Maybe Len can chime in and tell us how this is still happening ???? Dave, __________________ Dave Ribeiro 1033 STK

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