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Old 12-02-2015, 10:58 PM   #1
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Maybe sometime this coming season I should put someone else in the Skyhawk to see how they do. At legal weight for V/SA at Denver, I shallow stage with 26" tall front runners and use either a 2 Step or foot brake and have troubles at times keeping it green. The normal 60` times are in the mid 2.20`s. This is with a low gear TH 350 trans and leaving on color on the last amber.
Mark, I'll gladly volunteer to swap cars for a run. Mine runs low 1.90 60's and I can't wait for the bottom amber with 24" front tires, even at sea level.

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Old 12-02-2015, 11:21 PM   #2
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????? Lane here.

I`m sure everyone has a different rhythm with the tree as well. The LED bulbs made a huge difference for me 12 years ago.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:31 PM   #3
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Mark you have a very good memory and I'm surprised you don't remember the uproar this caused. The poll was not bogus. It was a racers only poll and all of us understood the issue very well. The issue of deep staging was thoroughly hashed out, voted upon and booted by the racers. It's that simple. The issue is dead.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:37 PM   #4
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When you have voting on a subject by a massive majority over a distinct minority, of course the majority is going to win. People don't care unless it affects *them*. Would people "vote out" FWD cars? I mean, "they're not real race cars", right? And "Why would anybody want to race a 5000# LTD?" They should vote those out, too. Trucks? Gone. 4-doors? Gone. Turbo cars? Too hard to police.

The timing system companies bend over backwards to accommodate delay box cars with CrossTalk and StageLock, but can't write code to handle a "D" after the dial-in to make the system recognize two bulbs as "pre-staged" and "staged-only" (top bulb out) as "staged". Then you'd have 100% AutoStart for everyone.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:46 PM   #5
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You are 100% correct a massive majority will beat a distinct minority in a poll every time. In this case the massive majority of the racers chose to ban the headache known as deep staging.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:06 AM   #6
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I guess it's not a headache for the pro's.
Bruce, doesn't this kill you? Eight pages on a dead issue?
It's gonna be a long two months, buddy.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:12 AM   #7
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Pros have a different deal all together. A long two months? Not for me buddy. Do you plan on racing again or just having some keyboard fun?
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:16 AM   #8
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Pros have a different deal all together. A long two months? Not for me buddy. Do you plan on racing again or just having some keyboard fun?
Ya never know with me. If I find something to drive with 3 pedals, well then...

Almost forgot to say...so I wouldn't have to deep stage LOL
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:22 AM   #9
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Joe, there were problems for racers who were not sure if the racer in the other lane was still staged when the bulb went out and it was an unnecessary distraction to what should be a pretty simple procedure. That's one reason deep staging was banned. You don't think nhra would go to the trouble of polling the racers if there were not big problems with deep staging. .. do ya? Think about putting the four barrel on your car and you could leave just like all the other 69 350 combos - if you're still running that car.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:09 AM   #10
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Hey Bruce, Mark asked if you could give an example of how deep staging caused an issue for the opponent who is not deep staged?....Joe Mocci
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