Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races

[tgriffith]

If the AHFS doesnt count EVERY PASS,,there is no reason to have it,,,,,,,class racing is about performance but the thinking about bracket racers not being labeled as "racers" in this "country club atmosphere" is a little un called for,,,,,,,for your info ,,,,,alot of us who decide to try this class racing are bracket racers and choose to try to build our own combos whether its quick or not, do this with the idea of going as quick as our knowledge/pocket book allows and do it without having to worry about getting busted for cheating cause we are not paying 3k for a set of acid ported heads or like Ed said,,,not ording a set of "stocker pistons" with the only thing being legal on them is the fraudulent number stamped of top of the piston

its time for tech to get tough...good thing I dont run the tech dept,,,AHFS would be in effect on every run,,I would take conditions and elevations into consideration and the AHFS triggers wouldnt be on the 1/4,,,it would be on the 1000ft

[tim worner]

I like Angelo's responce, I'm going to build a fuel injected Olds motor for next year that can run 2 seconds under. Maybe we need old Farmer back. In the 60's & 70's Farmer would give you hp in the staging lanes or when you teched in if "he" thought you needed it. The hp system will never please everyone.

[Stevie Ficacci]

counting the AHFS on every pass will accomplish nothing except making racers slow thier cars down. The AHFS does not work because their is no incentive to go fast. only way to make this happen is to have more heads up runs. if i were to buld a car and race in a class with no one it it, all i would have to do is run the index. even if this car could go 1.60 under it wouldnt matter because i would never do that because then the combo would get hp. now if there were some cars in the class and i actually had a heads up run in eliminations, only then the AHFS would start to work.

[tgriffith]

steve,,,,a good start on the idea is combining classes,,,A & b,,,,,,C&d,,,, and so on,,the bugs would have to be thought out BUT it could be easily done,,I got a feeling with the combining of Fi cars,,,your going to see alot more heads up runs

[Ed Wright]

This will probably get me in trouble, but does nobody else think the Super Stock indexes are way soft? Seeing Stockers move over to SS at a race, and still run under the index shows the SS indexes are soft. Guess it's because I'm old too, but I have trouble using bracket and race in the same sentence. I totally agree with Dave Layer and Jeremey. I don't have a lot of money or a high dollar car, either.

[david ring]

Here's a comp guy's perspective on the subject. No hits in qualifying, but yes during class elims and points races and nationals are treated the same. Go as fast as you want at opens. You can ignore the recommendations in the second sentence, but i say you really ought to lobby for go as fast as you want at opens. Opens are really fun for comp racers because you can go as fast as you want to and not have to worry about hitting the index. That little altered of mine that Lee Zane drives would have run 150 at the Atco Open back in the Spring except it was on the chip the last 150 feet or so (it ran 148.85 at 8.83 as it was).

The other reason for getting rid of the AHFS at opens is that the Atco open and the Dutch take place when mineshaft conditions can lead to combos getting the shaft (sorry couldn't resist the pun). That shouldn't happen either.

Dave has a Great Idea, Why not just Implement the AFHS durring Eliminations. Thats when guys ( In Heads Up Races ) Might go fast with the least regard, trying to win a race.
I think another way to get some runs to count instead of guys sandbagging, is to Award points for Class wins. There are not many places to run class anymore, if you can win your class somewhwere you can get like 30 points to win class and 10 to reach the final, then more guys might be forced to participate because it could have implications on Championship points. maybe if you win Class at Indy you get 50 points. This could give an advantage to the Hot Rodders that still work on their car because they like to go fast, as well as try to go rounds.

[Billy Nees]

All runs should have been counted since the implimintation of the AHFS (come to think of it, originally they were)! The only people that counting all runs will hurt will be the high $ engine parts suppliers and builders. Oh and the brain dead "D**k Slingers" that will go fast because they can. NHRA can't take every car apart like int the old days and even if they did who are they going to get to look at the stuff.? Make it so that if you want to buy the high $, enhanced parts you get reeled back in and if you have any common sense at all you'll eventually stop. It will solve 2 problems at once, bringing all of the "soft" cars in line and making for less "stupid fast" cars for Tech to tear down. I'm putting on my Nomex underwear as I'm typing this.

[stockracer]

Whats the problem with -1.15 under, as long as they count all runs it will make this system work better then ever! And if they are goin to continue to allow record runs a alt. adj. tracks, then hp should follow. Getting hp back is a joke, so they might as well get rid of that little program. Hell, make it -1.00 under for a hit. Who cares, there were a bunch of guys on this forum talking about Indy Qual being a joke because of so many guys goin -1.00 under...So you want to change the index's. Thats no goin to solve anything! Soft combo is still soft!

As far as tossin guys for shutting off at 1000', that rediculous! Deep staging gone, Button gone, Now Bracket racers are on the way out! When will the bitching stop?

[LNorton]

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