Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races

[Andys dad]

I think you guys are trying to invent the BCS of drag racing.

I personally do not think that works either.

By the way how many rounds did you guys race last year and how many were "heads up"? I wager not very many. We went 34 rounds with 2 heads up. We went 6 rounds and 7 rounds at back to back races, for those who think you need to go rounds to have them, and had none. It just does not happen a lot.

If we continue to make this a big problem NHRA might decide to make it go away.

This thread is proof, there is not a single solution that will satisfy every one - so who gets to be unhappy?

We are all just bored since last year is over and next year has not started.

Once we are back to racing, most of us will not have time for this crap.

We will be spending money we can not afford on our addiction -drag racing.

There is no rehab for drag racing. Nothing will make us quit.

[Greg Hill]

The simple thing to do is count all runs at National events including all class runs. This is not a big change but would have a big effect on soft combos.

Greg

[Andys dad]

I think it is a daunting task to try to make Fords, Chevys, and Chryslers in the same class, have a level playing field.

We have acombination - we race against - that has 40 more cubic inches and weighs 400 lbs less than us. I know we would hear a lot of reasons why but 400 pounds and 40 cubic inches. It is a four barrel with upgraded, imporved and approved rules.

Our combination is 10hp less (80 pounds) - if it is in a different body style.

Go figure.

AHFS will never be able to please even a majority. So let's just hope we make it to February.

That is if you are 18, which Andy is not, so no racing for him at National evets in February.

[tgriffith]

what about letting the AHFS be in effect every run BUT also use a formula to decide how far under the index it should be,,,,,,,,,,example would be,,,at alt factored tracks,,the AHFS would also be factored,,,take into consideration of weather conditions,,,,,If one was racing at 300ft below sea level,,the the AHFS would not be 1.15,,it would be a higher number,,,,,,it would be that hard for NHRA to come up with a formula of what it should be at each track,,,,,,the only confusion might come from weather or conditions changing,,,,,,,,,,,for the AHFS to wrok and work correctly,,it is going to have to be flexible and count every run

[Andys dad]

You ever compare your adjusted altitude to the guy pitted next to you.

Ask 10 people and you will get 10 readings. Whose will rule?

I vote for NHRA to invent the "BCS" of drag racing - that will help us a lot.

What about payouts? A much more important topic.

Entry fees have gone from $75 to $250 but payouts have either stayed the same or gone down.

Get a grip.

[Signman]

Everyone should listen to what Lynn has been trying to get across for years. It seems that Angelo is and does understand, what about the rest?

Want to go fast? Great!

National and Divisional Races:
Qualifying and All Heads Up (class & eliminator) runs don't count. They are used as information for creating Lynn's system. Go as fast as you need to win. Evan's idea of awarding points is great! All runs during the eliminator (shoe polish) count.

National Opens: No runs at national opens count. Have a good time.These runs can be used to create Lynn's system.

After a couple of years of everyone having a good time and not getting hit Lynn's system should have enough data to be implemented.

The issue of atmospheric conditions and altitude tracks will need to be addressed. Some sort of algorithm will need to be created with weather conditions and actual altitude input to create a way of equalizing or averaging the information across the country.

A bit of a task, I would say. There would need to be a kit assembled with laptop loaded with software and weather instruments directly connected. No inputting weather and altitude numbers. A program like Crew Chief Pro could be further developed, weather instruments and GPs are available. Each division would have one or more kits. The kit would be updated and calibrated regularly by an single technician and sealed.

The official designated to operate it at the races would be properly trained.

The resulting factor would be used to adjust the actual performance numbers obtained and applied to Lynn's bell curve system. The factor more than likely would have to be established for each session as weather conditions change during the day, day to day.

Sounds like fun!

[Bryan Worner]

From reading all of the posts....I conclude that we should all just shut up and go racing! Angelo had the best solution! His suggestion goes along with what I stated earlier about having the weather conditions at each race be a factor in determining horsepower reviews! If #1 is 1.38 under and #2 is 1.15 under......there is a problem! That combo that ran 1.38 under needs reviewed instantly! But until something like this is implemented.......there is no use complaining because you're not going to change anything!

Hey Keith........why don't you go win a race before you call me a dumb f&%*!!! Or get your car to run at least .50 under so you can get a class win!!!

Ed, I won the division in Super Stock this year and did not drive a super fast car. In fact, I was the slowest car in my class at the Dutch Classic! And, I got beat in my only heads up run I had during elims all year at Cecil County by being outrun by over a tenth!

[Michael Beard]

Lynn and Angelo make sense.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GP Hill

The simple thing to do is count all runs at National events including all class runs. This is not a big change but would have a big effect on soft combos.

Greg

Greg has it right and Bruce has it right also. NHRA is not going to do a darn thing that takes alot of time and manpower. Why do you think they implemented the AHFS in the first place? Why do you think they don't count runs that are not on the Q sheet? Nitro Joe has all the numbers . They are not that hard to find.
I'll say it again. Count all runs at Nationals . Forget Div's . You want your combo hit by somebody that is claiming the small cam motor ,when they really should be carrying 20 -30 more HP? Don't think it has not been done.

[Speedracer]

If the runs at the Divisional races are not going to be included in the AHFS,they why have any heads- up races at Divisionals?
Isn't the purpose of the AHFS to try and equalize the combinations,so if everyone worked hard on their combo,then theoretically it would be an even race?
If there is no AHFS at Divisionals,then just get rid of it altogether.When some cars run over 1.15 under with a 20 mph headwind in 4000 ft corrected air,I would kind of like to see how fast they could go at sea level anyways.I'm thinking several combos are capable of 1.6-1.7 under if they really went for the killer pass.Not legal,of course,but still impressive!