Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races

[Andys dad]

Ok not 100% - good

Since I am up waiting on football I am going to give you my opinion. Now admittedly you will figure I am wrong but here goes. I thought NHRA was all about (in stock) hp to weight.

I do not know when we decide the same engine in a different car should have less hp. It is ridiculous. I have raced the Chevelle with the same combo I have in the Camaro. You know what the engine did not tell me it deserved more hp in the new combo.

The AHFS can not be perfect, it needs and deserves change. Any system should undergo regular changes from its initial format in order to accept input and reality adjustments as times, equipment and technology improve. The system must improve overtime.

As to whether NHRA is a democracy, I would say it is not, it is a rule establishment organization focused on safety.


When will some thing like this be addressed - The Mopar combo in my class that has 40 more cubic inches and weighs an astonishing 400 pounds less. Both are 4 barrels. No chance in class or heads up. Either gigantic difference (40 cubic inches or 400 pounds) would be enough.

The best game in town is avoiding the AHFS hit. "Take care of your HP (AHFS)" is a comon phrase by most who are at the top of the performance curve.

But like it use to be in the old west - there is always a faster gun.

[Larry Hill]

All my opinions are for stock. Count all runs at divisional and national events. Use 1.15 under as trigger. Award points for class rounds won, 10pts. per round, 5 bonus points for class win @ indy. Qualifying points for top 16. Maximum 100lbs. over minimum weight. National opens will not count. If car goes 1.25 under automatic teardown [.1 grace] at nationals and divisionals. If 1.25 under car fails run not counted for AHFS. IF SPEED AND ET. DO NOT MATCH NO TICKET AT THE ET.BOOTH DURING QUALIFING AND CLASS ELIMINATIONS.
Larry

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

All my opinions are for stock. Count all runs at divisional and national events. Use 1.15 under as trigger. Award points for class rounds won, 10pts. per round, 5 bonus points for class win @ indy. Qualifying points for top 16. Maximum 100lbs. over minimum weight. National opens will not count. If car goes 1.25 under automatic teardown [.1 grace] at nationals and divisionals. If 1.25 under car fails run not counted for AHFS. IF SPEED AND ET. DO NOT MATCH NO TICKET AT THE ET.BOOTH DURING QUALIFING AND CLASS ELIMINATIONS.
Larry

I'm all for it as it is similar to what I proposed. However, if you want "all runs" to count (Divisional included), there needs to be the possibility of a tear down. For example, you wouldn't want to receive HP in your class because some yahoo showed up at a divisional one day with a pop-up piston 440 or maybe even a 500 crate motor shortblock!

The reasons I said lower index .500 and make the AHFS start @ 1.00 is to basically make the AHFS a non issue. But throw all the heads up runs I proposed into the mix and the AHFS may be necessary. Especially if the 1.15 under players of today are really 1.50+ under players. If your not, then the AHFS would not be an issue.
You will see WOT racing under my proposal.

[Bruce Noland]

Funny how some of these threads keep on chugging along.

I was a bit surprised yesterday when Len jumped in on one of his posts and attemped to put an end to the discussion about the ahfs. He has been trying to portray me as a guy who wasn't paying attention to the ahfs notices and got pissed when I got HP. Well, I very rarely take on a selfish cause and generally pick causes that affect the most people; like the ahfs. He is wrong on that point.

But I thought, who the hell does this guy think he is? The ahfs is a moot point my ***. This site doesn't belong to him or nhra. So I decided to do a little checking on the information that he has been attempting to pass off here and found a couple of interesting unannounced/unpublished changes to the ahfs and that the two notices that he told us about were really about the same subject and only one was a call for racer feedback. hmm...

So I spent the whole afternoon and evening working through 83 months of nhra archives and found just that one request for feedback and it is over 4 years old while, at the same time, the ahfs was taking on a few unannounced nips and tucks.

Len describes the changes to the ahfs as minor and that the basic format has not changed. Well the reality is that the original ahfs resembles an Impala while the current ahfs resembles a Humvee. Apparently there is no such thing as a minor change to the ahfs.

I'm just an old guy from Virginia working my way through the archives and I may have missed something. I invite any of you to double check the archives to verify my results. Also Len has the whole nhra computer thing going on and he may find something that I haven't and I invite him to provide any additional information that he may have.

Also, I found the following paragraph from the original ahfs to be very revealing.

"This has been a project that will prove well worth the effort," said Len Imbrogno, director of sportsman racing and member tracks. "Once everyone gets comfortable with how the
data is analyzed and automatic changes are calculated, the racers will pretty much control their own destiny in terms of horsepower and index changes."

I will post more on this subject tomorrow. My eyes are a little bleary after looking at a computer screen for eight hours.

[Bruce Noland]

Still working on the material. I have four legal pages of notes and trying to abbreviate for this site. The latest version of the ahfs contains the most changes and takes up most of the space. I'm working with three versions and wanted to do a side, by side, by side comparison but with limited space that is out of the question. Thanks.

[RPinoski1]

Here are the links from the NHRA website. Let me know what I miss quoted.

http://www.nhra.com/wklynews/2000new...er/112202.html

http://www.nhra.com/2003/sportsman/n...ry/013101.html

Here is a proposed change: http://www.nhra.com/2003/sportsman/n...st/081702.html

Here is the audit of the guides announcement.
http://www.nhra.com/content/sportsma...9836&zoneid=85

Finally here is the current AHFS as posted on the NHRA site.

http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/ahfs.html

Just to add to this.....There should be a links page on CLASS RACER to all of the changes as they are posted on the NHRA site. I know if I miss a day of reading on numerous sites "working on my car" I might miss a crucial rule "clarif-interpretation-change" that might effect all of us racers.

For ex....The accepted crankshaft clarification statement which is way different from what the rule book reads. This one really through me for a loop. I realized I was Waaaay out of the loop when I read this!

http://www.nhra.com/content/sportsma...9848&zoneid=85

Have a great off season...........

GO HAWAII WARRIORS

[Len Imbrogno]

RPinoski,


http://www.nhra.com/2003/sportsman/n...ry/013101.html

The missing letters after sportsman/ are news/january/ Not n...y. For some reason this website is not allowing the correct address to print. Perhaps the "moderator" can explain why.



The article is entitiled "AUTOMATIC HORSEPOWER FACTORING SYSTEM EXPLAINED. Re-read it because it is just as I said it was.

[Stevie Ficacci]

i think tony curcio's last post is right on. the ahfs has to somehow allow for cars to get faster over the years.

[Yo Ken]

Len,

Its the way the software was written for this type of message board so your URL's become hyperlinks. Anytime you have either http:// or www, the vB code will not always show the full address, but the link will be correct. If you need to let others know the full URL, just leave out the http:// or www.

Example:
nhra.com/2003/sportsman/news/january/013101.html

People can just copy and paste the URL, most browsers will automatically add the http:// or www, and the site will open.

[Charlie Ford]

Good one Larry!!