TruSTART looks to level the playing field.

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I re-read it. I wrote the fast cars won't like loosing that advantage. First car leaving goes red, they win. Why would they want that taken away? What did I not get right? Faster cars won't like that change. Right?

You said it correctly Ed, and yes, the faster cars pilot will whine. It takes away the mental advantage they think they have. It will be a tough sell to the stk/ss crowd yet the bracket racers will embrace it with thanks and much appreciation. Shoe polish is the great equalizer.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Guys with the real fast cars that always leave last won't like losing that advantage. I honestly can't see how anyone could really say it's wrong..

Just the thought of it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. I must be getting old.

[Jack Foshee]

First OR worst Long overdue, hope it gets adopted

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Just the thought of it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. I must be getting old.

A lot of racers with FAST cars and fatter wallets were squirming in their chairs upon hearing this news.

[MikeMoller]

Just a thought, but rather than delay the red lights just don't show them on handicap starts. After both cars have finished the run, display the proper win light. This would promote full run racing, might be less confusing for the fans and better entertainment. The announcer can always explain that win/loss based on reaction time.

[FireSale]

So I understand that this is limited deployment, but drag racing is all about consistency so I'm going to ask this.

It looks like Peter B, and his friend talked to CompuLink about this idea and CompuLink developed the system. Logic says they will test it at the Spring Fling and then pitch it to NHRA for adoption at points events. So, how would this make it to the grass roots like Bremerton Raceway out here in Washington State that is run by a car club? Is it new equipment or a software update? Something that just shows up in the NHRA trailer for National events won't really help.

I guess I'm asking this of the business folks involved.

Dale

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

"If there is a logical argument against this method, I'd love to hear it... . this one is long overdue"

I asked the same question on this forum for years (literally, until my multitudinous posts about it became irritating to some people, who, for some reason, didn't "get it"; are you listening Ed Fernandez and Ed Wright?) Never EVER got a satisfactory answer. Just insults and character-assassination verbiage...

Ed Fernandez said, "It will never happen," and Ed Wright backed him up, with never any reason why this change to a more-fair way of dealing with double redlights needed not to happen.
Now, Ed Wright has done a complete 180 and says, " I honestly can't see how anyone could really say it's wrong," and Ed Fernandez has, miraculously, nothing to say. Well, this plan by two semi-pro Stock Eliminator racers is EXACTLY what I beat to death on this BB for years, and was never able to convince more than a few people of its worth. Maybe I'm just a lousy communicator..

It's not a part of Stock or Super Stock racing, YET, but, I think it may well filter down to those Eliminators if it's successful in the brackets.The fact is, it's not just about slow cars/fast cars.... In the final round of an Eliminator, you could have an "A" car running a "B" car, and they both go red. That's not a likely scenario, but it COULD happen. The winner would be the driver with the least infraction, just like in a double breakout.

That's fair.

I am just glad someone with some "pull" got it done. It was a long-time coming, and I am sure it took a lot of effort on the part of Kyle Seipel and Peter Biondo to get it this far. I applaud their efforts!

[Larry Hill]

The red light needs to happen in real time without delay. If I go red I want to know so I can do something positive on the run: 1. save my equipment for the next heads-up run where the worst red light looses, 2. manage averages for the AHFS, 3. test, and 4. practice driving the stripe.


If the other lane wants to see if I went red let them. Next time we race and I'm green they will be looking and more than likely be late and I will be in the next round.


Crosstalk is that electronic deep staging and how is that a .5 tree?


So the racers don't want to race by the rules, nothing new.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland View Post
Doesn't seem like such a big problem and hardly worth the fuss.

Conversely, one could argue that since it's such a small percentage, why would anyone have a problem with the change? (The answer is actually one 99% of people have ignored: the cost Compulink would charge every track for the upgrade.)

For the record, I don't really care that much either way. As long as I know what the rules are when I pull in the gate, and everybody's playing by the same rules, it's fine.

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

The red light needs to happen in real time without delay. If I go red I want to know so I can do something positive on the run: 1. save my equipment for the next heads-up run where the worst red light looses, 2. manage averages for the AHFS, 3. test, and 4. practice driving the stripe.

If you are the faster car, your red light would display instantly.

If you are the slower car, your red light would display when the faster car left. In the 'Cuda, in a worst case scenario against the fastest Factory car, this would be ~1.7 seconds into the run: just after pulling 2nd gear/just after the 60'. I'm pretty sure you don't want to lift when you're in the middle of a wheelstand.

In your really worst case scenario of driving The Truck vs the fastest Factory car, it would be less than 4.5 seconds into the run, which would be before the 330'.

I would hope that under current circumstances, you do not idle down the track after redlighting, holding up the show and burning down the pair of racers behind you.

Crosstalk is that electronic deep staging and how is that a .5 tree?

There's so much wrong with that sentence that I'm just going to assume it was in jest.

On the flip side a slow car, now knowing that his chances of losing on the starting line have decreased, might try to hit the tree a little harder

No one is going to try to risk a redlight knowing their odds of winning a double-redlight have increased by 0.5 - 1.5%.

I attack the tree the same every time, regardless of whether I'm the fast car, the slow car, my opponent is red or green, etc. If I had a heads-up where I had the guy covered by half a second, I might set up .030. Do the same thing at the same time the same way every time. The idea that someone is going to "try harder" or will "back off" in any other situation reveals not having a good, consistent spot on the tree in the first place.

[Bruce Noland]

It seems this debate keeps popping up and yet, as we all know, nothing will change. But for the sake of argument let's understand what "some" of the slower car racers would like to see happen in a performance oriented sport. They want a handicap start and a clean tree and a ton more time to figure out how to race the stripe. The faster cars, on the other hand, offer the handicap start and do not have the luxury of leaving on a clean tree and they don't have nearly the same amount of time to drive the stripe. And now some of the slower car racers want an additional accommodation by asking for this red light protection. While all the pressure cranks-up on the faster car while it waits up to 5 or 6 seconds to chase down the slower car.