TruSTART looks to level the playing field.

[rognelson777]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Statistical data on faster cars having the "worst redlight" of a dual-foul situation in eliminations:

At Loose Rocker's Colonial Classic last year, we ran roughly 1,640 pairs of eliminations over the course of the weekend. The number of instances that this rule would have affected were (4) in Top and (5) in Footbrake: 0.5% of elimination runs. In Top ET, every one would've been resolved (true red light/win light displayed) before the cars were past the tree. In Footbrake, every one of the runs would've been resolved before either car made it to the 60'.

American Doorslammer Nationals: 3 / 580 = 0.5%
Fall Footbrake Frenzy: 14 / 884 / 1.5%
The majority of these instances would be resolved before any car got to the tree, and all instances would be resolved before the 60'.

Mike, it looks like you have a lot of data from these events. If this data is available, Could you compare just the races that had less than a .500 handicap? The reason I ask this is any race that has more than a .500 handicap, the faster racer has the opportunity to leave late or never leave, because he can see the Red before the last yellow goes off, so that data is flawed.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by rognelson777

Mike, it looks like you have a lot of data from these events. If this data is available, Could you compare just the races that had less than a .500 handicap? The reason I ask this is any race that has more than a .500 handicap, the faster racer has the opportunity to leave late or never leave, because he can see the Red before the last yellow goes off, so that data is flawed.

I ran the stats for last year's Spring Fling at Bristol. 15 occurrences over 1178 pairs. (1.27%) Only one of those pairs had a handicap of more than half a second, so the redlight would typically be displayed by the time the slower car made it to the tree. That was a Box class, so both drivers are leaving off of the same bulb at the same time. These stats are consistent with what I found with three other events. As I stated in my previous stats post, the majority of the instances were handicaps of less than .500. Footbrake has a very slightly higher incident rate, and the handicaps are sometimes longer.

You can find stats on events at http://dragstory.com/forum/index.php Select a race, select a day/class, do a Find (Ctrl-f) on "-.", and it will highlight all of the redlights on the page.

[Jeff Stout]

Surprised some of you guys arent complaining when a car breaks out by more then another car, yet still loses. By your thought process on redlites the car that breaks out first should be the loser and not who breaks out the most. Yes, I dont have a s/ss number but I race where im the faster car and this new rule would possibly hurt me but I feel it levels the playing field a little.

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

Surprised some of you guys arent complaining when a car breaks out by more then another car, yet still loses. By your thought process on redlites the car that breaks out first should be the loser and not who breaks out the most. Yes, I dont have a s/ss number but I race where im the faster car and this new rule would possibly hurt me but I feel it levels the playing field a little.

I'm not sure what you are talking about???????????

Could you please explain your statement....

Thanx,
Bob

[Larry Hill]

Mike crosstalk = .5 tree, how? Faster car leaves on slow cars light, why, is it a distraction for the faster car to leave second? How did that happen. Looks like crosstalk is a rule for the faster cars


I still believe in Valentin's Day. Class winners fill the first spots at Indy and the remaining spots in the 128 car field filled by the fastest qualifiers. Walking the knife edge with the rule book. I always get beat at my best. Tru Start no!

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Mike crosstalk = .5 tree, how? Faster car leaves on slow cars light, why, is it a distraction for the faster car to leave second? How did that happen. Looks like crosstalk is a rule for the faster cars

That's correct. Before CrossTalk, drivers of the faster car could still leave off their opponent's top bulb, but had to look across the tree to the other lane's top bulb, and some drivers complained that the angle of the bulb made it difficult for the to crossover. Either that, or if they weren't crossing over, they had to deal with the distraction of the opponent's top light coming on just before their own.

In delay box classes running CrossTalk, both top bulbs light simultaneously. The slower car's tree comes down normal. The faster car's top bulb stays lit for the time difference between the dial-ins. With a crossover delay box, you enter BOTH dial-ins, and your standard delay. The box does the math and adds the additional delay if you're the faster car.

Try footbraking in a Box class! On rare occasions, I've had to chase somebody. After being CrossTalked a couple of times, I learned that I was .040-.045 like clockwork every time my top bulb was "hanging". (I don't block the tree) The last time it happened, I took a couple of extra bumps, stood on the converter, and stabbed it to come up .001. Ended up winning that day.

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

I'm not sure what you are talking about???????????

Could you please explain your statement....

Thanx,
Bob

Sorry I was bored and should have re-read my statement as it didn't make sense to me.
What I was getting at is the people complaining about worst red light rule should probably be complaining about worst break out rule also. Worst break out rule applies at finish line so why doesn't worst red light work on starting line? Both parts of track are very important in winning.
First to go red loses, so first to breakout should be the loser using the current red light theory.

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

Sorry I was bored and should have re-read my statement as it didn't make sense to me.
What I was getting at is the people complaining about worst red light rule should probably be complaining about worst break out rule also. Worst break out rule applies at finish line so why doesn't worst red light work on starting line? Both parts of track are very important in winning.
First to go red loses, so first to breakout should be the loser using the current red light theory.

OK.................

I get it now.......

Worst break out = worst red light and both = a loss..............

Thanx,
Bob

[Jeff Stout]

4444 Norman Marsden 791 Adam Emmer E4 -0.002 10.333 127.08 -0.007 10.140 131.13 SS/KA
This is 4th round in super stock. If truestart was in effect the outcome would be reversed.