So, what should happen to

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Jimmy Alund? He's entered as a 70 Nova and it's definitely a 68-69. I've heard the stories about Racers being tossed for such things BUT I don't know of anybody who has personally been tossed.
The cars are about the same but the engine combos are different.
Slap him on the wrist or toss him out?

Billy,
The problem is that the car needs to be entered as a 1968 to run AA/A, as a 1970, it can't legally make the class, a 1970 is a natural B car. A few years back, they DQ'd a racer for this exact infraction, a 1970 Nova in AA/SA. Had he entered it as a 1968, he'd have been fine, but he made the error and then made qualifying passes.

I suppose an absolute purist could make the case that the tail lights and possibly the marker lights, and maybe even a grille, would be grounds for a DQ. I'm not sure I'd go there, we may not even have a tech guy in every division that knew enough to make the call. Is that sort of thing something we really want to do?

I can agree with having to claim the correct year if it determines the ability to make a class.

I can even agree that in some cases substantial trim differences are grounds for a DQ. I don't think you should race a 68 Camaro as a 67, or the reverse. I don't think that even though the grille and tail lights are the big differences between a 68 and a 69 Chevelle that you should race one as the other. I had a guy tell me that he was told you could run a 69 300 Deluxe post Chevelle with a 427/425, I don't think that's right, either.

In the end, I think we need to think long and hard about what we ask for here.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Luke Bogacki is a very well respected racer that was tossed at Brainerd a few seasons ago for basically the same infraction. I am sure Mr Alund will not be dealt with as harshly. What would Marty and Gred do.......You are outta here !! As Alan stated , this goes beyond tail lights and grille, he is claiming the wrong year for the class.....

[Carguy49]

This same car was entered at Pomona 2015 (Winternationals) as an A/S car (70 model) by Clark Holroyd. What is the problem now and why wasn't it addressed much sooner?? How long has this car been run AS IS??

[GTOMayhem]

Somebody last year was DQ'd for having the wrong bumper supports on a Firebird, 72 vs 73, if I remember correctly.

Rick Thomason
GTOMayhem

[Ron Ortiz]

If you are one of the lucky individuals that have a car that can be converted to another year with a couple of tail lights and/or trim, then you should have to adhere to the rules specifically.

I've had to scour junkyards in Commerce, GA to get a 2bbl carb air filter hold down bolt to continue competition the next day of eliminations at The Southerns.

So I would have to concur that the correct tail lights should be used.

Back in the old days the violators would be flogged, tar & feathered, or forced to walk the plank.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA its not who you know ...........

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

If you are one of the lucky individuals that have a car that can be converted to another year with a couple of tail lights and/or trim, then you should have to adhere to the rules specifically.

I've had to scour junkyards in Commerce, GA to get a 2bbl carb air filter hold down bolt to continue competition the next day of eliminations at The Southerns.

So I would have to concur that the correct tail lights should be used.

Back in the old days the violators would be flogged, tar & feathered, or forced to walk the plank.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA its not who you know ...........

Back in the old day, I'm sure it did not cost every bit of 1/2 of a weeks pay to enter .... Did it ? This is the kind of tid bits that run people off. Its confusing to talk about the originality aspect, and then turn around and allow crate motors in ... Looking from an outsiders view, ... the tail lights have to be the correct, original equipment , for the year,.... but the engine don't ? It keeps getting harder and harder to explain these classes to folk ...

[Gary Merrick]

The first NHRA sanctioned event I went to was in 1970 in Columbus, Ohio, for a Points Meet (yeah, I am old). Marty Barrett teched my car in and he started writing things wrong, "no radio delete plate, no outside mirror, to start with, and we had not even lifted the hood. He looked at me and said, "do you want me to go on, cause you are not racing today". My point being is that everybody's car has something wrong with it currently (whether it be intentional or unintentional). If the the tech guys want to find something and nit pick it they can, but they pretty much just concentrate on the safety items and that is OK in my book. However, when it comes to engines, transmissions, drive trains, etc., the line has to be drawn, a 1970 Nova does not make AA/S. The precedent had been set in Brainerd a few years ago with oddly enough the same year car and engine combination, although an automatic vs. a manual, but basically the same situation. Me personally, I really don't like seeing anybody not getting to race, especially, someone from out of the country, but the rules are the rules and for this occurrence it is very obvious (at least to me) what needs to be done.

Gary Merrick
3522 Stock

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

U/SA its not who you know ...........

Ron, not to get too picky but this IS the 21St century. Mightn't you mean "it's not WHAT you know ..........."