Attention all az, ca, nv, ut, nm, tx stk/ss racers:

[KayMozeris]

I agree with qualifying off of RTs in order to avoid ladder monotony. However, I prefer the idea of heads up runs in eliminations to play into the Stock/Super Stock feel. Otherwise, we are essentially running Pro..

[Dave Muller]

Count me in too, once my car is built.

[7423]

Qualify off RT from the last time trial. Makes it a drivers game instead of a wallet and ego game. No heads up, everyone dials, a drivers game. If it wasn't 400 miles away, I would be there. Good luck with it, sounds like a great idea, a class legal no E bracket race.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by 7423

Qualify off RT from the last time trial. Makes it a drivers game instead of a wallet and ego game. No heads up, everyone dials, a drivers game. If it wasn't 400 miles away, I would be there. Good luck with it, sounds like a great idea, a class legal no E bracket race.

Stock and Super is a Performance oriented class type of racing If you want a Bracket race with no rules other than safety then race every weekend , I will not support a race that does not use the present way of racing by qualifying under the index and by having heads up racing period.

Albert Lee should put up the purse for all to try and win

[Dragsinger]

speaking of attracting the more budget oriented racer [which I am one of] travel mileage must be part of the equation.

In my situation, about 200 miles one way is my reasonable travel distance. For me, that means, Texas Motorplex, Houston, or Thunder Road near Shreveport with Noble OK being a maybe. I think a number of D 4 racers would attend event held at the above listed tracks.

In addition, a two race weekend is attractive.

Another consideration, your idea of attracting new or in-active racers is good and I applaud that effort. To do so, a bracket type format with reaction qualifying and no heads up is valid.

[HawkBrosMav]

Originally Posted by Albert Lee

* I'm in.

* Don't get bogged down with the details. It will always be about the FUN and Prize Money.

* If possible do two races for one tow (Saturday/Sunday).

* Avoid the hot summer (Note my personal prejudice).

* Contact John McLeod at Midwest Class Racers for the formula. Arguably the best series in the country. In a nutshell, 2 days @ $100 entry per, $2k/$1k/500 etc with 75 for rd2 loss, 60 car average in the middle of nowhere, BBQ, camaraderie AND 150+ sponsors @$250 which includes a lot of member support plus businesses which subsidize the purse. Of course that kind of program doesn't happen overnight.

Al Corda

Thanks for the info Al, We are for sure doing to be looking to some of the long time guys like you and Yac for some advice, and also may be looking for some help with leads on potential sponsors..

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

Stock and Super is a Performance oriented class type of racing If you want a Bracket race with no rules other than safety then race every weekend , I will not support a race that does not use the present way of racing by qualifying under the index and by having heads up racing period.

Albert Lee should put up the purse for all to try and win

Don, Which of the options in our second post would you be most willing to support??

We all have to remember that at this point, and for the foreseeable future we will be holding races at 2 tracks. More than likely we will have the same 15-25 racers at every event (if we get that many year 1). This isn't going to be a traveling circuit any time soon. The FUN part will start to fade and we will lose interest if everyone keeps lining up against the same people every race. Trying to build something that will be sustainable while also staying true to the spirit of the class in as many ways as possible.

Brad

[Mike Graham]

BJ's bookstore may be able to put up some contingency. When you get farther along call me. Al is right. Don't get bogged down in details. You will probably start with the same 15 or 20 cars that supported Mark's deal and grow from there.

[Daran Summerton]

Doubles work Best Buy some portable scales 😄

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by HawkBrosMav

Thanks for the info Al, We are for sure doing to be looking to some of the long time guys like you and Yac for some advice, and also may be looking for some help with leads on potential sponsors..



Don, Which of the options in our second post would you be most willing to support??

We all have to remember that at this point, and for the foreseeable future we will be holding races at 2 tracks. More than likely we will have the same 15-25 racers at every event (if we get that many year 1). This isn't going to be a traveling circuit any time soon. The FUN part will start to fade and we will lose interest if everyone keeps lining up against the same people every race. Trying to build something that will be sustainable while also staying true to the spirit of the class in as many ways as possible.

Brad

Racing Stock and Super Stock is not totally like bracket racing .There are rules for the specs of the engine , there are weight rules, there is a National index that each combination is classified under .About the only common trait to bracket racing is the safety rules.
Now in Stock and Super Stock a person can at their option pick a combination that they like either based on their own likes, or a combination that just maybe give them an edge in any part of racing Stock and Super Stock .The present rules with qualifying under national index works big time .The idea of a no break out with similar class works also . If these rules and regulation are not followed then it is Not Stock and Super Stock racing it is dumping down of the rules for no real viable reason,
Just my opinion

[Ed Carpenter]

If some are in Texas we would come. No races in June,July or August to dang hot......