And the whiner award goes to ......

moparornocar · 12-10-2007, 10:00 PM

but dont most of ther pro boys use buttons and blinders?

Chuck Beach · 12-10-2007, 10:11 PM

Speedracer,
What the hell does a 2-step and a blinder have to do with a delay box? You are missing the point ..

Obviously your aren't a stock or super stock racer. Why would I put 30+ years in a car to be the fastest only to get hit with HP because I spent the money, time and effort because the car in the other lane hasn't done the same? Read my other posts, it will never be even. Tell me, how do you give HP to a car that is 1.15 under and the same exact combo only runs .85 under but yet the average dictates HP. Now that guy is farther behind. Does that mean he doesn't know how to go fast, doesn't care or doesn't have the money or time? Why is it that you whiners think that because a guy is fast that he is either cheating or he needs HP? Why isn't every team in the NFL, NBA or MLB or for that matter college all have equal records? Does that mean that they need to level those playing fields?

Hello Speedracer, redlighting gives you NO chance to win ... and I used to respect you and your opinion ..

Mike ---- already have one ..

Speedracer · 12-10-2007, 10:24 PM

Never mind,but I'm outta here.
This just proves to me that if the winner of Stock Eliminator were to receive a $500,000 cash prize,there would still be some that were pissed because it wasn't $1,000.000.
Blocking the tree was a tremendous disadvantage to a 13.00 and up car.I think its better with a level playing field this way,but I already have said too much about this.
If your car passes tech and gets horsepower,it shows the potential is there and the other guy (with the same combination) needs to spend the money.We are not factoring by the money spent,but by the potential of the combination by following the rules.
Later....................................

Chad Rhodes · 12-10-2007, 10:26 PM

I nominate Bruce Nol.................. oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were actually nominating people

Everett Vassar · 12-11-2007, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

I nominate Bruce Nol.................. oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were actually nominating people

Greg Anderson already has it--------------------------

Jeff Lee · 12-10-2007, 10:33 PM

Chuck, just to be clear and to provide the entire statement I made and it's not taken out of context, here's EXACTLY what I posted on the subject:

NHRA never had a rule that blinders were OK. Racers just adopted it. Now NHRA is just clarifying that they are not allowed. And when racers took it to the extreme and people are getting run over in the staging lanes, I'm all for it.
Look, racing involves dealing with distractions of all sorts. Those that can deal with them prevail more than those that can't. That's just a part of the sport.

Not the least of my concerns are safety and as it has been proven, somebody is going to get hurt. Secondly, my thoughts are there is some degree of ineptness if you need to shield yourself in a cocoon in order not to be distracted in a race. Sorry to offend some, but that's just my .02 on the matter.

joe176 · 12-10-2007, 11:27 PM

Then I guess the pro stock drivers are really inept....take a look at their shields and custom helmets with minimal race view. And also giant hood scoops that grossly block their vision from seeing the tree while staging to looking down track while on the run. Maybe Koretzky never saw Bruce Allen coming......should NHRA do away with modified visors and hood scoops in pro stock also?????????

Jeff Lee · 12-11-2007, 01:47 AM

And they finally made the P/S drivers shift themselves. Funny, it didn't seem to hurt performance...

Fast cars have an advantage in that they chase a slow car down. Slow cars have an advantage in that they get a clean tree and get to leave first. Some build a fast class car because they favor chasing. Some build a slow class car because they want the fast cars to red light in anticipation. Blinders narrow that slow car advantage.
Maybe MLB players should have little slits in their batting helmet that only shows the path from the pitcher to the batter? Would hate to imagine they can't hit the ball if distracted!

rustbucket79 · 12-11-2007, 02:11 AM

What stops a racer from taking a pair of dark sunglasses (or mirrored) and doing a little "duct tape magic" on the inside where the NHRA gods can't see? If you only put them on just before staging, only did one lens and closed your other eye once you saw the tree start, it would be safe and "big brother" would never be the wiser.

Back before the LED's I used sunglasses to slow my R/T, and for the night races, they came off briskly before the 1-2 shift, one fluid motion from reacting to the tree to grabbing the frames, then off to the shifter......food for thought.

EDIT: I just read Pat's thread on patented glasses, rats, someone had the idea before me!!

Michael Beard · 12-11-2007, 09:59 AM

>> Maybe MLB players should have little slits in their batting helmet

Why aren't corked bats and steroids permitted in the MLB?

12-10-2007, 10:00 PM	#1
moparornocar Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... but dont most of ther pro boys use buttons and blinders?

12-10-2007, 10:11 PM	#2
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Speedracer, What the hell does a 2-step and a blinder have to do with a delay box? You are missing the point .. Obviously your aren't a stock or super stock racer. Why would I put 30+ years in a car to be the fastest only to get hit with HP because I spent the money, time and effort because the car in the other lane hasn't done the same? Read my other posts, it will never be even. Tell me, how do you give HP to a car that is 1.15 under and the same exact combo only runs .85 under but yet the average dictates HP. Now that guy is farther behind. Does that mean he doesn't know how to go fast, doesn't care or doesn't have the money or time? Why is it that you whiners think that because a guy is fast that he is either cheating or he needs HP? Why isn't every team in the NFL, NBA or MLB or for that matter college all have equal records? Does that mean that they need to level those playing fields? Hello Speedracer, redlighting gives you NO chance to win ... and I used to respect you and your opinion .. Mike ---- already have one .. __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK Last edited by Chuck Beach; 12-10-2007 at 10:13 PM. Reason: add comment

12-10-2007, 10:24 PM	#3
Speedracer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Never mind,but I'm outta here. This just proves to me that if the winner of Stock Eliminator were to receive a $500,000 cash prize,there would still be some that were pissed because it wasn't $1,000.000. Blocking the tree was a tremendous disadvantage to a 13.00 and up car.I think its better with a level playing field this way,but I already have said too much about this. If your car passes tech and gets horsepower,it shows the potential is there and the other guy (with the same combination) needs to spend the money.We are not factoring by the money spent,but by the potential of the combination by following the rules. Later.................................... Last edited by Speedracer; 12-10-2007 at 11:49 PM.

12-10-2007, 10:26 PM	#4
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... I nominate Bruce Nol.................. oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were actually nominating people __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

12-10-2007, 10:33 PM	#6
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Chuck, just to be clear and to provide the entire statement I made and it's not taken out of context, here's EXACTLY what I posted on the subject: NHRA never had a rule that blinders were OK. Racers just adopted it. Now NHRA is just clarifying that they are not allowed. And when racers took it to the extreme and people are getting run over in the staging lanes, I'm all for it. Look, racing involves dealing with distractions of all sorts. Those that can deal with them prevail more than those that can't. That's just a part of the sport. Not the least of my concerns are safety and as it has been proven, somebody is going to get hurt. Secondly, my thoughts are there is some degree of ineptness if you need to shield yourself in a cocoon in order not to be distracted in a race. Sorry to offend some, but that's just my .02 on the matter. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-10-2007, 11:27 PM	#7
joe176 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NY Posts: 601 Likes: 36 Liked 41 Times in 9 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Then I guess the pro stock drivers are really inept....take a look at their shields and custom helmets with minimal race view. And also giant hood scoops that grossly block their vision from seeing the tree while staging to looking down track while on the run. Maybe Koretzky never saw Bruce Allen coming......should NHRA do away with modified visors and hood scoops in pro stock also?????????

12-11-2007, 01:47 AM	#8
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... And they finally made the P/S drivers shift themselves. Funny, it didn't seem to hurt performance... Fast cars have an advantage in that they chase a slow car down. Slow cars have an advantage in that they get a clean tree and get to leave first. Some build a fast class car because they favor chasing. Some build a slow class car because they want the fast cars to red light in anticipation. Blinders narrow that slow car advantage. Maybe MLB players should have little slits in their batting helmet that only shows the path from the pitcher to the batter? Would hate to imagine they can't hit the ball if distracted! __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX Last edited by Jeff Lee; 12-11-2007 at 01:55 AM.

12-11-2007, 02:11 AM	#9
rustbucket79 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... What stops a racer from taking a pair of dark sunglasses (or mirrored) and doing a little "duct tape magic" on the inside where the NHRA gods can't see? If you only put them on just before staging, only did one lens and closed your other eye once you saw the tree start, it would be safe and "big brother" would never be the wiser. Back before the LED's I used sunglasses to slow my R/T, and for the night races, they came off briskly before the 1-2 shift, one fluid motion from reacting to the tree to grabbing the frames, then off to the shifter......food for thought. EDIT: I just read Pat's thread on patented glasses, rats, someone had the idea before me!! Last edited by rustbucket79; 12-11-2007 at 02:29 AM.

12-11-2007, 09:59 AM	#10
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... >> Maybe MLB players should have little slits in their batting helmet Why aren't corked bats and steroids permitted in the MLB? __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

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