Qualifying with no AHFS

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by rowdyboys31

Alan, looks like NHRA is already doing that with factory HP on a few newer street cars. Here's a few I found 2009 mustang GT 4.6 factory 300hp/NHRA Guide 270hp, 2010 mustang GT 4.6 factory 315hp/ NHRA Guide270hp, 2013 Dodge Challenger SRT8 392 Hemi factory 470hp/NHRA Guide 380hp/New389hp.JK

Of the ones you listed, it appears that Jeff Teuton with the 2013 Challenger @ 380 hp is the only competitive car out there.
Last year his Challenger was over 1.1 sec. under in B/SA and C/SA.
I haven't seen this years stats yet.

The 2010 Camaro is the only production year Camaro listed since 2002 and even it seems rated too high @ 400 hp. Not sure if anyone has tried that combo yet.

The '05-'14 Mustang combos are not competitive, IMO.
The '11-'14 Coyote Mustangs are rated more than a CJ....with pretty much the same engine.

I still think NHRA should rate the newer cars @ 80% of the dealer brochure advertised hp...then let the AHFS system take care of the fast cars.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

Of the ones you listed, it appears that Jeff Teuton with the 2013 Challenger @ 380 hp is the only competitive car out there.
Last year his Challenger was over 1.1 sec. under in B/SA and C/SA.
I haven't seen this years stats yet.

The 2010 Camaro is the only production year Camaro listed since 2002 and even it seems rated too high @ 400 hp. Not sure if anyone has tried that combo yet.

The '05-'14 Mustang combos are not competitive, IMO.
The '11-'14 Coyote Mustangs are rated more than a CJ....with pretty much the same engine.

I still think NHRA should rate the newer cars @ 80% of the dealer brochure advertised hp...then let the AHFS system take care of the fast cars.

If they put the newer street cars in the guide it should start at the advertised factoryHP then go up or down as needed per the AHFS. This has been the way it has been done since the start.

[Casey Miles]

On a new unfactored car, nhra should add 100 HP to the factory hp rating and let the race off HP. Why should a new combo jump to the head of qualifying. If nhra had done that in the beginning, old and new would be competing on the same level now.

Casey Miles
248 H

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

On a new unfactored car, nhra should add 100 HP to the factory hp rating and let the race off HP. Why should a new combo jump to the head of qualifying. If nhra had done that in the beginning, old and new would be competing on the same level now.

Casey Miles
248 H

Nobody is going to build a new car with a NHRA rating factored 100 hp higher than the factory hp.

Not going to happen.

JMO

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

Nobody is going to build a new car with a NHRA rating factored 100 hp higher than the factory hp.

You speak the truth. I purchased a new 2010 BIW in early 2010. When they released the spec. and HP I pushed it into a corner.

The 2015 spec. should be out soon........

[Casey Miles]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

Nobody is going to build a new car with a NHRA rating factored 100 hp higher than the factory hp.

Not going to happen.

JMO

So in stead of being able to run 1.5 under, with the 100 HP added, they could only go .50 under. I could care less if the big 3 make their race cars or not. If they didn't, Stock would be a backward category again, don't have to spend 100 k to be competive. One row of Copo at Indy last year was at least $1.2 million dollars of value. People are still going to purchase them. But buying one of those purpose built cars shouldn't send you to the top of qualifying sheets. They should have to pay their dues just like the older cars.

Casey Miles

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

So in stead of being able to run 1.5 under, with the 100 HP added, they could only go .50 under. I could care less if the big 3 make their race cars or not. If they didn't, Stock would be a backward category again, don't have to spend 100 k to be competive. One row of Copo at Indy last year was at least $1.2 million dollars of value. People are still going to purchase them. But buying one of those purpose built cars shouldn't send you to the top of qualifying sheets. They should have to pay their dues just like the older cars

Dude, you don't have a clue!

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

So in stead of being able to run 1.5 under, with the 100 HP added, they could only go .50 under. I could care less if the big 3 make their race cars or not. If they didn't, Stock would be a backward category again, don't have to spend 100 k to be competive. One row of Copo at Indy last year was at least $1.2 million dollars of value. People are still going to purchase them. But buying one of those purpose built cars shouldn't send you to the top of qualifying sheets. They should have to pay their dues just like the older cars.

Casey Miles

Casey:
I am only talking about factory production line ( street ) cars with VINs.

None of what I have commented on in my posts have anything to do with the Factory Stock cars. ( COPO, DP, CJ )

Please do not get the 2 types of Stockers confused.

So spending nothing on your car as well as no time and showing up should give you the same chance as the guys who do?

That is some pretty slanted logic there.

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

So in stead of being able to run 1.5 under, with the 100 HP added, they could only go .50 under. I could care less if the big 3 make their race cars or not. If they didn't, Stock would be a backward category again, don't have to spend 100 k to be competive. One row of Copo at Indy last year was at least $1.2 million dollars of value. People are still going to purchase them. But buying one of those purpose built cars shouldn't send you to the top of qualifying sheets. They should have to pay their dues just like the older cars.

Casey Miles

[Casey Miles]

Stock is supposed to be an entry-level catagory, and spending money shouldn't be the barometer on how your car performs. Stock has been corrupted by after market influencs. Btw, I've been racing the same car for over 40 years and it's had a factor on even before I started racing it.