Charlie Wescott Jr

[340Cuda]

My understanding is that until Saturday only the first twelve postilions are qualified.

This is to compensate for possible "mine-shaft" conditions during runs earlier that do not exist on Saturday.

Before this was changed, for example say a car could have run 6.70 in the air on Friday but shakes the tires on both runs. Then on Saturday the DA goes from 200 ft to 3000 ft. and the car can only run 6.80s. and the bump for the top 16 going into Saturday is 6.75 so he does not qualify

Several years ago they changed the rules for the pro cars/bikes. Now the car gets a more even playing field to qualify for the four additional spots that now become open on Saturday.

My take on how it works, anyone feel free to make corrections.

Bill

[Ed Wright]

Bill, you are correct.

[G Schenck]

You are correct Bill, Friday night session was the reason behind this rule.

Greg

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by 340Cuda

Before this was changed, for example say a car could have run 6.70 in the air on Friday but shakes the tires on both runs. Then on Saturday the DA goes from 200 ft to 3000 ft. and the car can only run 6.80s. and the bump for the top 16 going into Saturday is 6.75 so he does not qualify
Bill

By the old rules , if the "bump" was a 6.75 on Sat ......he DOES qualify with the 6.70 he laid down on Fri.
Never mind , I re-read the way you stated that.........."but shakes the tires" I think it cuts both ways.

[FED 387]

All PRO categories fastest 12 cars in the first 2 qualifying sessions are " guaranteed to be in the show" -you will race you cannot be bumped out your qualifying position may change down but not out of the top 16!!! -- any runs made after that EVEN if they are faster than those first runs by number 1-12 bump into the show in the appropriate position 1-16 based on the fastest to the slowest until there is a full field --- but those latest qualifiers are entered according to position based on from the fastest to the slowest 16 cars and cannot move any cars out of the top 16 or to number 17- 18-19 whatever and thus out of qualifying--- so basically you qualify number 1-12 on Friday you are guaranteed to be in the show and no matter how any other NON qualified car runs even if its faster than your time in Saturday sessions 3 & 4 you will be in the show as long as you only move to positions 13-14-15-16 remain open when he makes his run in session 3 or 4

[davidhuff]

Thanks for the great information!

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by FED 387

All PRO categories fastest 12 cars in the first 2 qualifying sessions are " guaranteed to be in the show" -you will race you cannot be bumped out your qualifying position may change down but not out of the top 16!!! -- any runs made after that EVEN if they are faster than those first runs by number 1-12 bump into the show in the appropriate position 1-16 based on the fastest to the slowest until there is a full field --- but those latest qualifiers are entered according to position based on from the fastest to the slowest 16 cars and cannot move any cars out of the top 16 or to number 17- 18-19 whatever and thus out of qualifying--- so basically you qualify number 1-12 on Friday you are guaranteed to be in the show and no matter how any other NON qualified car runs even if its faster than your time in Saturday sessions 3 & 4 you will be in the show as long as you only move to positions 13-14-15-16 remain open when he makes his run in session 3 or 4

I don't think that this is correct.............

The top 12 qualifying spots are saved and the times carry over to the 3rd session..

If the class has 20 entries and they all are quicker than #12 he gets pushed back to #20....He can still qualify during the 4th session if he can bump #16 to #17.....

#12 in session #2 has no guarantee to make the field only that his pass will carry over to session #3...

What if session #4 was much quicker (better air, better track) would these cars who ran quicker than #12 not qualify????????????

How would 1st round pairings and lane choice go.....quicker or qualifying #....

What would the final qualifying sheet look like if #17 was quicker than #12????????????????/

#12 only races if he can stay in the top 16.........


Bob

[Kevin McKenna]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

I don't think that this is correct.............

The top 12 qualifying spots are saved and the times carry over to the 3rd session..

If the class has 20 entries and they all are quicker than #12 he gets pushed back to #20....He can still qualify during the 4th session if he can bump #16 to #17.....

#12 in session #2 has no guarantee to make the field only that his pass will carry over to session #3...

What if session #4 was much quicker (better air, better track) would these cars who ran quicker than #12 not qualify????????????

How would 1st round pairings and lane choice go.....quicker or qualifying #....

What would the final qualifying sheet look like if #17 was quicker than #12????????????????/

#12 only races if he can stay in the top 16.........


Bob

Bob is correct. The top 12 times from Friday only carryover to Saturday. They are not guaranteed. It is possible to get bumped from the field in Q3 and Q4, no matter how quick you've run previously. Admittedly, the top 12 rule isn't as effective as it was in the past with greater car counts, but it is nice to have those four spots open on Saturday, especially when there is Friday night qualifying.

[joespanova]

You guys can slice it / dice it and defend it.....all you want.
Its a dumb rule.
15. Alan Prusiensky Arcraceengines.com Dart 8.879 147.31
16. Dave River River Racing Cobalt 11.421 203.86
--------- Not Qualified ---------
17. Charlie Westcott Jr. Militia Racing Products Mustan NT
In the old days , even if you missed the setup on Sat. , your spot would carry over from Fri. unless you were bumped out of the last spot , last session , Sat.
What Sundays show SHOULD have looked like , was the 2nd session from Fri. With the exception of Alan P. everyone was at least a 6.80* or better.
No way Wescott gets denied to run the show on Sun.
Dumb rule.

[Lenny5160]

What Sundays show SHOULD have looked like , was the 2nd session from Fri. With the exception of Alan P. everyone was at least a 6.80* or better.

This is exactly the reason for the current qualifying method. If someone missed the setup on the best session, they were screwed! None of the other sessions really mattered.

I wouldn't say I love the current rules, but there are arguments to be made in its favor.