Just when I thought I've seen it all ........

[Bobby Fazio]

Combo races are unfair to begin with. I don't think anyone would have a combo race involving two categories with such different rule restrictions if they could get respectable car counts in each of the categories. You have footbrake stockers with limited engine and suspension mods going against transbrake, air-shifted super stockers with engine and suspension mods. An A/FX car at a combo race is the least of our worries and although a cool looking car, I don't think he made it out of first round.

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

Combo races are unfair to begin with. I don't think anyone would have a combo race involving two categories with such different rule restrictions if they could get respectable car counts in each of the categories. You have footbrake stockers with limited engine and suspension mods going against transbrake, air-shifted super stockers with engine and suspension mods. An A/FX car at a combo race is the least of our worries and although a cool looking car, I don't think he made it out of first round.

I would be curios if the numbers back up your comment that the combos are unfair. If so then I would think Superstockers would be winning the majority of the combo races. I just have not noticed that to be the case at any of the ones I have been around.

[Bobby Fazio]

I'm not sure of the outcome statistics nor am I complaining about the rules of these races. My point is that these races are more of a change of pace type of deal to go have some fun and since it is hard to draw 30-40 super stockers and 30-40 stockers my guess is that is the reason combos were created in the first place. From a purely objective stance, super stockers have the upper hand if they are allowed more mods and driver aids.

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

I'm not sure of the outcome statistics nor am I complaining about the rules of these races. My point is that these races are more of a change of pace type of deal to go have some fun and since it is hard to draw 30-40 super stockers and 30-40 stockers my guess is that is the reason combos were created in the first place. From a purely objective stance, super stockers have the upper hand if they are allowed more mods and driver aids.

I just looked at the results from Hagerstown congratulations on the win. From the looks of that race you may be on to something with all 4 finalist being super/stock cars.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by novassdude

I just looked at the results from Hagerstown congratulations on the win. From the looks of that race you may be on to something with all 4 finalist being super/stock cars.

We had a S/SS Combo race at Union County, SC a number of years ago. Every Super Stock car lost first round, and the final round consisted of my Turismo and Harry Morgan's Escort. Obviously those FWD cars have an advantage...

When I was running Super Stock, I was footbraking and shifting by hand. It's not a big deal, IMO.

[James Perrone]

Dave s Eastcoat Stock Super Stock. Program is the best deal in drag racing.
First of all combo mean both classes together you know the rules if you have a trans break Use it. The no heads up brings for participation No Danger No ego Its a bracket race If you And the pay is usually more than any divisional will pay. No stickers
It's fun and very competitive

[PozQB14]

CCRA is top notch, great racers and awesome racing. East Coast Stock/Super Stock was equally as impressive from what we saw at ATCO. Never heard any gripes about the differences in cars being ran. Crate motors and pure stockers fit in just fine with the NHRA and IHRA legal super stockers and wheel standing stockers.

[Dave Gantz]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Dave s Eastcoat Stock Super Stock. Program is the best deal in drag racing.
First of all combo mean both classes together you know the rules if you have a trans break Use it. The no heads up brings for participation No Danger No ego Its a bracket race If you And the pay is usually more than any divisional will pay. No stickers
It's fun and very competitive

I haven't run one in a long time, but I always liked the fact that it was done in one afternoon.
Jack, did the car you saw have injectors out the hood or was it the car that Doug posted in post 4?

[sugar1366]

Originally Posted by novassdude

I just looked at the results from Hagerstown congratulations on the win. From the looks of that race you may be on to something with all 4 finalist being super/stock cars.

My wife was one of the 4 finalists. Although her car is a Superstocker, it has a 9" slick, she FOOTBRAKES it and SHIFTS it herself. We don't even run MSD box or a 2 step. Cam, heads and intake are the only things that set it apart from a stocker. So I wouldn't use her car as an example of one that has an "unfair advantage". Also, she had three rounds where her total package was .019 or better, so the " disadvantage" theory kinda goes out the window. Combo races are a lot of fun, and bring together a lot of really cool cars/combos and PEOPLE. We love attending this particular race, and Mike Carr does an awesome job running it.

For the record, I personally thought the FX car was neat as heck. I had no problem letting it run with us, and would have had no problem lining up next to it. If it fits the NSS rules, and NSS cars are allowed then so be it.

Eddie Bolton

[Dave Turner]

Statistically, the Can Am series championship history supports the theory that Super Stock cars have the upper hand in combo competition. They have dominated the points chase in recent years with 12 of the last 13 series winners wheeling a SS ride. Tony Valerio broke the string in 2016 with his Crate Motor 68 Camaro.

However, I would wager that every one of those SS drivers could have been crowned champion as a Stock class entry - it would be fascinating to put it to the test over the course of a full season.