Important if you run D-H/S or SA

[David Lee]

Originally Posted by ron mattson

Like the Ritter block for mopar, ford Motorsport,
Or Bowtie? Lol

you are not mentioning all of the six cylinder combos or combos that do not have any replacement blocks

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by David Lee

you are not mentioning all of the six cylinder combos or combos that do not have any replacement blocks

What's your point?

[David Lee]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

What's your point?

how much hp is picked up by having beefier blocks that will allow a better cylinder

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by David Lee

how much hp is picked up by having beefier blocks that will allow a better cylinder

You lost me at "Blocks that will allow a better cylinder".

Why are you complaining about the blocks when the subject is about intakes and cylinder heads?
The majority of the racers are going fast with the OEM block both filled and unfilled.
It boils down to the quality of the machine work and the final finish of the cylinder walls.

[David Lee]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

You lost me at "Blocks that will allow a better cylinder".

Why are you complaining about the blocks when the subject is about intakes and cylinder heads?
The majority of the racers are going fast with the OEM block both filled and unfilled.
It boils down to the quality of the machine work and the final finish of the cylinder walls.

So wall thickness and deck thickness have nothing to do with a better seal. And if so many racers are going fast, with stock blocks, why the need for aftermarket blocks.

And you want to limit it to that one subject.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by David Lee

So wall thickness and deck thickness have nothing to do with a better seal. And if so many racers are going fast, with stock blocks, why the need for aftermarket blocks.

And you want to limit it to that one subject.

Like I said in the previous post, that is the reason why people fill their blocks.
Others sleeve them.
A properly filled or sleeved block, machined with the right equipment and by someone that knows what they are doing, will make power.

David, what side of the crusade are you on? What would you like to contribute to the conversation? Do you feel that the lack of an aftermarket block for the 273-360 is reason enough for the allowance of non OEM Cylinder Heads and Intake? Am I understanding you correctly? Just clarifying

[David Lee]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

David, what side of the crusade are you on? What would you like to contribute to the conversation? Do you feel that the lack of an aftermarket block for the 273-360 is reason enough for the allowance of non OEM Cylinder Heads and Intake? Am I understanding you correctly? Just clarifying

I am, and i see people like you and Billy doing a lot of tap dancing. How much extra hp does aftermarkets give?

[Billy Nees]

Now you're going to have to explain just what it is that I'm tap dancing about. Aftermarket aluminum intakes on combos that didn't come with aftermarket aluminum intakes aren't stock and shouldn't be legal in Stock. That simple.
OBTW, I'm not much of a dancer.

Originally Posted by David Lee

I am, and i see people like you and Billy doing a lot of tap dancing. How much extra hp does aftermarkets give?

I reenergized post but I've said very little since .
You've never asked me the question directly. I'll give you my take on it. I build my own engines for better or worse. My performance level with my car is respectable. I have a production block in my car that has been honed 3 times and holds a pretty round cylinder. I have good ring seal and a pretty sound reworked oiling system to keep from running over my main and rod bearings going down the track at the RPM I run it at.

I have a new aftermarket block that is being machined to replace my block. For the most part it will have all the same parts in it as the engine I run now. Same heads and intake that I run will go on this new piece. I would be very suprised if it's 5 Hp better. It should stay round all the time from first hone on. One of the draw backs is its 46 pounds heavier than my stock block. Now the car has to be changed around to offset that. When I run it I'll tell you how much it's better than the stock block. If I had my choice, I'd take the better heads and intake any day.

No tap dancing here. Does that satisfy your question from the Pontiac end? BTW do you build any engines or even race stock.

I don't blame anyone who races that combo, especially Tom,Jerry, or Steve. They did the homework, the r&d and put it into action. They are all hard workers and stand up guys. It's up to us as their competition to try and keep up.